Union Institute

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by sammy, Apr 28, 2004.

  1. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    1. You have said more than a few times you hope people assume it is a traditional accredited degree when it clearly isn't.

    2. I come across your attacks on Union continually. I have no connection with TUI but know hyperbole when I read it. Union offers fully accredited Bachelor, Master and Ph.D. degrees. It operates several campuses in multiple states. It has been a leader in ACCREDITED non-traditional education for over 30 years. If I were Rich I would be extremely proud to have the degree he has earned from Union.

    3. It has been reported by CCU students that many of their courses consist of reading a book and taking multiple choice quizes at both the bachelor's and Master's level. It has operated unaccredited for decades. Comparing it to any RA school is silly.
  2. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Haven't considered the possibility of CCU not attaining accreditation for the MBA. As I fully intended on using the doctorate by hanging it on my wall regardless of accreditation, I imagine I would do the same with an unaccredited MBA.
  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    1. I believe I said, at different times and in different ways, let them belive what they will. I thought you were referring to my blatant quote of today which was feeding the trolls.

    2. If I were Rich, I'd be proud of it too.

    3. Reading a book and taking a 200 question multiple choice exam with fine distinctions between answers - exactly. Do R/A distance programs have proctored exams? Not that I have run into.
  4. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    Hey Dennis try this one, according to some it is fully equivalent to RA: http://www.collegehints.com/boards/showthread.php?t=693

    Same price to I notice.

    BTW, all my exams have either been at Colorado State or proctored!
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hi Dave, MyOptimism, and The O'Neil:

    How sad. Dennis thinks I take what he says about me personally. This is a mistake. What I regard as foolish about Dennis' current omnidirectional vendetta is his expressed belief that he's got the rest of us fooled, and his repetitive claim, whenever anybody calls him on an unfounded statement or a prevarication, that he was just kidding.

    Personally, my feelings aren't hurt. But if I were an administrator at CCU, concerned about the reputation of my school as it makes its bid for accreditation (would Dennis' bragging about his intended deception in using his CCU degree be of interest to the prospective accreditor--who knows?), and concerned about CCU's reputation on this forum FWIW as one of the better FWTW unaccredited schools (while its most famous student hereabouts engages in endless millist attacks on reputable posters who have completed real doctorates), I'd be really, really pissed at the damage being done to CCU.

    But since I'm not, I'm not.

    And I don't eat cornflakes. Or grape nuts.
  6. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    St Regis is what the Oregon ODA calls a "degree mill degree mill"

    CCU is just called substandard - a rave - it's 1 of 2 unaccredited schools so honoured.

    R/A proctored exams - I haven't seen it - read a book - write a paper - write another paper. This is from a reasonably highly rated B&M school.
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Because it wasn't in Alfred Nobel's will, Einstein. They don't have Nobel prize for mathematisians as well, neither they have it for engineers, botanists, scolars in Busines, psycology ets. BTW, Nobel prize in economics is not technically a "Nobel prize" - it is a separate award.
    What did it supposed to prove?
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Because it wasn't in Alfred Nobel's will, Einstein. They don't have Nobel prize for mathematisians as well, neither they have it for engineers, botanists, scolars in Busines, psycology ets. BTW, Nobel prize in economics is not technically a "Nobel prize" - it is a separate award.
    What did it supposed to prove?
  9. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    Then perhaps you ought to try one before you blow your mouth off, it is an interesting experience (proctored exams that is).
  10. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I had 5 years of butts-in-seats school.

    I presume proctored exams are more common in technical programs. I took four accounting courses by distance ed and they had proctored exams.
  11. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    :confused: DEnnis you have me wondering these two statements are direct opposites. Either you have or you have not had experience with proctored exams. If you have your first statement is very misleading. If you have not, the second is therefore false.

    I realize this is standard for you, but really all on the same thread and actually consecutive posts (by you) this is a record!!:p
  12. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    The accounting courses were from a Canadian accounting association.

    Courses I have taken from an American R/A university are unproctored.

    Lighten up sport.
  13. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    See, Mike, Dennis wasn't contradicting himself or prevaricating. He was only joking. What he says is your fault because you need to "lighten up". Funny how everything in the universe of those who trill is always someone else's fault. Usually, of course, the someone is Rich Douglas or John Bear...or an evil cabal of librarians.
  14. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Tony & Dennis, Here are two examples:

    The first is from the Faculty Appointment and Tenure policies at SUNY Stony Brook:

    Faculty Rank
    Academic Rank

    Faculty with academic rank hold the titles Professor, Associate Professor, Assistant Professor, Instructor, Librarian, Associate Librarian, Senior Assistant Librarian, and Assistant Librarian. Faculty in academic rank must be reviewed for continuing appointment (tenure) after periods of service as specified in Policies of the Board of Trustees, Article XI, Appointment of Employees,Title B. Continuing Appointment.

    The second one is a link to the University of Illinois-Chicago Library Academic Staff Directory (which would be a strange name, indeed, if they were not academic staff). You may notice that these librarains are also cross listed as "assistant professor", "associate professor", etc., which would be rather odd titles for non-academic staff. :)


    When I was at College of the Desert, both of our full-time librarians were tenure-track faculty with academic rank. Counselors, librarians and other professionals are part of the faculty at many colleges. At others, they are ranked as classified supervisors.

    Tony Pina
    Faculty, Cal State U. San Bernardino

    (I don't think that Dennis was insulting librarians either, I just think that he was wrong on this issue).
  15. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Speaking of librarians, the Coordinator of Information Resources at my campus is amazing. After numerous attempts to find the Sosdian & Sharp articles on the acceptance of non-traditional degrees referenced in Bears' Guide (published in 1978 and 1979 by a now non-existent US government agency), I approached her and she got all three articles within days. This type of thing has happened more than once. As a faculty member, I'd die without librarians!

    Tony Pina
    Faculty, Cal State U San Bernardino
  16. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I don't get it. I have written in excess of 100 proctored university exams at a b&m school. While I have written proctored exams in 4 non-university courses, I have never written a proctored exam in a distance university course, included an R/A school. Did I forget to cross a T somewhere?
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    They're cited in my dissertation, which I've provided to you. They're available in ERIC, for anyone else who might look for them.
  18. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    Oh. I think I get, uou have taken proctored exams, but not from a DL course. The US RA program you were in did not have proctored exams, just writting assingments. :rolleyes:

    Interesting, of the the 8 DL course I have taken (including 2 currently enrolled in) I have taken a total of 18 proctered exams (last 2 courses are not done yet).

    My wife who is taking working on her Masters in the CS?UDG-Hux program does not have exams, just writting assingments (of course the program is about wrtting).

    But what the heck does it have to do with the thread topic? :confused:

    Unless you are inferring that becasue Union does not have procterd exams it is no better than any other PhD by research school such as UniSA or USQ. But then why would a program that is a PhD by research have proctored exams anyway?
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  19. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    They're cited in mine as well. I've had the three articles for some years now. When I tried to get them through ERIC at the time, I could not. It's good that they are available now.

    I had initially thought to update this study for my dissertation (since nothing of this scale had been done for 25 years), but my Chair wisely suggested that I wait until I could get it done under the auspices (and funding) of a large federal agency (like Sosdian & Sharp did).

  20. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hi Tony: This is way off-thread, but your PM box is full. I hope I made it plain that I was not making fun (on some other thread) of Puerto Rico--just of a shill of insular provenance. If I gave offense to you, I apologize. Cordially, Janko

    To return this thread to its own (sort of):
    Yeah, well, Cincinnati chili tastes funny--they put cinnamon in it.

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