Unaccredited degree assembled from courses at accredited schools

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  1. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Other countries, including the US, do similar things. It's just not openly admitted. I honestly can't think of a single country that doesn't take advantage of its immigrants. Maybe countries where immigration is essentially 0 because almost nobody wants to move there, for various reasons?
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Say what you want about North Korea, but they don't have a problem with illegal immigration!
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. They worry about "illegal EMIGRATION." Would-be escapees pretty well have to go through Chinese territory - they're driven through by smugglers and stay in "safe (?) houses" at night. China is never happy with their presence and if the Chinese police find any, they're sent back to North Korea.

    Then, there'll be a show in Pyongyang, to deter other North Koreans from escape attempts. They'll line the captured people up in a sports stadium, some uniforms will sing the jolly North Korean anthem and shoot them all in the back of the head. Game over.

    Some background info on capital punishment and public executions in N. Korea here. Lovely place. So many ways to catch a bullet!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_North_Korea#:~:text=The country allegedly carries out,disputed by some defector accounts.
     
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  4. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    We joke here that it the ideal state for many left- and rightwingers alike. Strict organisation, no globalisation, no migration, no internet smut...
     
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  5. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    To be fair, when James Joseph Dresnok and his fellow soldiers (especially Charles Jenkins) defected in the 50s, they almost immediately regretted it. Their education in the North Korean system was as arduous as their marches, involving long hours of reading and memorizing North Korean propaganda alongside frequent beatings. For a guy who ran away from the Army because of perceived mistreatment, Dresnok took to it surprisingly well (though he also participated in wailing on the others if Jenkins can be believed.)

    Crossing the Line, perhaps my favorite documentary is about his defection:

     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    They're not the only country in history that had to work harder keeping people in rather than keeping them out. The entire Warsaw Pact comes to mind....
     
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Meanwhile they took one look at Travis King and said, "Nah, you all can have him back."
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    An idea. On the other forum, I think someone reported they eventually got ECTS from XAMK (Finland) cleared for a certain amount of credit equivalency at Excelsior U. or maybe it was TESU. I've forgotten the details - costs, hoops to jump through, etc. Maybe the same method would work for ENEB / Isabel I.
     
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    But these exchanges make it seem like a computer game - e.g. where you give another player two trained warriors for a pound of gold or do the reverse. World of Academic Warcraft, maybe? Not for me. You like 'em -- by all means go ahead. Might be fun (for you.) Maybe some co-operating schools could cobble together an online version of the "game" and you could earn / trade real credits etc. on "Steam."
     
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  10. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Can't get XAMK credits at Excelsior. Excelsior ONLY uses ECE. ECE won't do XAMK due to the way XAMK issues transcripts. XAMK credits are valid at TESU or UMPI, via ACEI. ECE will do ENEB: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB They'll also potentially do Metropolia: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Metropolia_University_of_Applied_Sciences#What_evaluation_services_will_evaluate_Metropolia_transcripts?

    It's not really all that different from attending College A for a year, transferring to University B, maybe dropping out for a couple of years, then transferring everything to University C and finishing up. They're legit schools or universities in their home nations and have transfereable credit. IMO, it's a lot less weird than universities offering credit for things like CompTIA exams.
     
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  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Don't hate the player, hate the game.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't see that as weird. I've read forum posts that Big 3 are known to do this. Additionally, at WGU (not Big 3, of course) you can pick up as many 7+ of this type of industry qualification on your way to a degree. They make quite a thing of that in their ads. These aren't "fringe" stuff.
     
  13. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    It's only "not weird" because it's (North) American and you're used to it. Why is ENEB stranger than CompTIA or even something like Study.com? CompTIA is no more a school or university than ENEB is and it's certainly less of one than XAMK and Metropolia.

    Study.com is only worth credits because some independent 3rd party says that the work is equivalent to a real course and colleges/universities have agreed to accept that judgement. Not unlike how ENEB -> USA credit transfers work.

    ENEB is not new, novel, strange, etc. It is simply doing things just slightly different from the "standard" way of doing things at American universities.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    CompTIA isn't strange. It's a source of skills - and credit, but it doesn't get you a degree - just a few credits, if you know where to apply. And ENEB is not strange - I may not like it much, but I know how it works. The degrees are restricted on their own turf, acceptance with evaluators here is spotty - and this "one ticky-box exam" option, I think, is deplorable. But ENEB is not strange - or weird.

    The Metaphysical places -- and the Natural Proton Therapy school - are weird. ENEB - teaches business. That's not weird, whether I like them or not. And computer games -- same deal. And right, I don't like them.
     
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  15. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    CompTIA is an assortment of certifications and is computer related, ENEB is another assortment but geared for Business, Leadership, Management. Neither of them are accredited, but both can be used towards a degree if the institution taking them would grant credit equivalency. There are so many options nowadays, it's really up to the student to "mix/match" their own degree using courses that interest them, the end goal is to patch any knowledge or learning gaps one wants to fill, icing on the cake is getting the credit to be applied towards a degree of choice...
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    False: CompTIA Tech Career Academy is accredited by ACCET. A recognized National Accreditor. From CompTIA:
    https://www.comptia.org/newsroom/comptia-tech-career-academy-accredited-by-the-accrediting-council-for-continuing-education-training#:~:text=CompTIA Tech Career Academy Accredited,Council for Continuing Education & Training

    "It's up to the student to mix /match their own degree?" OK. But getting credits is "icing on the cake? I thought the whole purpose was getting credits, because only CREDITS can make up a DEGREE. There are forums, companies (e,g Sophia) spreadsheets etc. totally devoted to this concept. Getting credits isn't "icing on the cake." EVER. It IS the cake! There's a heavy aroma of "vanilla statements," here.
     
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  17. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    is a division of CompTIA that has sinced closed. CompTIA as a whole is not accredited.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks. When did it close? The main CompTIA website announced the accreditation in 2023. See my link.
     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah -- I see your link. And here's part of their notice:

    "We decided to sunset CTCA because it has not met our needs and expectations as we sought to expand deeper into the accredited higher education institution model...."

    OK, I'm dead in the water. Apologies all round. But - if a big company operates a school -- then I'd expect only that part (the school) to be accredited, as it was, here. Accreditation doesn't usually extend to the company's boiler room, accounting dept. etc. In this case, it's moot, as they closed the school.
     
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  20. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

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