Unaccredited degree assembled from courses at accredited schools

And that legitimizes the "usual suspects" --- how? I'll just keep laughing, thanks. Way better than being bilked. I've read of cases (right here in the forum) where people pay several thousand dollars, are awarded "degrees" from one of these schools above -- which they never receive.

And what can you accomplish in THAT case, with long-distance fist-shaking at Mexi-Costaragua? Nada!

The whole thing is nuts.

 

So what? At one time, it was also registered as a baby-sitting / child care service. Neither permit registers it to print up meaningless degree-looking papers --- but it does, anyway.

 

DQ? Dairy Queen is now awarding degrees? I'll take a Master of Vanilla, please. And please sprinkle on some extra ECTS.

 

John Gray and his then-wife Barbara de Angelis (relationship expert) both earned PhDs from unaccredited California Pacific University, by correspondence. Barbara was Gray's first wife, I believe -- and he was her second husband (of five, IIRC). The relationship of the two "relationship experts" didn't survive, however - it ended in divorce in 1984. I imagine both got to keep their individual diplomas after the split.

 

I never heard of that with an Irish or UK school (Liverpool itself IS a UK school) but it did happen with Trinity College of the Bible and Seminary, in Newburgh Indiana, USA. Trinity degrees (no US accreditation) were at one time endorsed with the yellow Liverpool stickers and back in the day, some DI folks had a lot of fun with that. Later the degrees carried UK (Canterbury) endorsements.

After that, there was a University of Wales validation scheme, which imploded when it was discovered Trinity had no accreditation in its own country. That was the beginning of the end for the entire U. of Wales overseas validation scheme -- and for the Consortium of U. of Wales schools itself. The scheme involved validating over 200 offshore schools, with very little oversight. Some of the remarkable ones included a school run by a supermodel in Cambodia and a business school in Malaysia, called Fazley College, run by a pop singer named Fazley Yakoob.

After the U. of Wales affair, Trinity made an unsuccessful attempt to obtain RA accreditation and another (also unsuccessful) with DEAC. Trinity is still running today --- accreditation-free.

 

Y'all can go waste your own time, now, with Ethereal Degrees or whatever. Suggestion - weather is nice in Managua, I think. Done with this thread.

Slight correction to the Trinity time-line. It was:

Yellow Liverpool stickers
Canterbury Endorsements
RA (failed)
University of Wales validation (imploded)
DEAC (failed)

 

most DEAC accredited schools grant up to 75% in transfer credit. If one needs flexible online degree finishing school they have an option to go BIG 3 RA in the US or DEAC accredited degree, UK has top up degree completion programs etc..

 

The DQ thing is an operation from your beloved CLEA University. Another Mexinicarica university that you love so much. They issue propio degrees based on online training at places like Mastercursos.

They have some cool masters like Archeology. You can become a Mexinicarica Indiana Jones with this degree, maybe a qualification to open your own youtube channel for a Archeology.

Yes, these degrees are not meant for you to become a professor or land a job at wall street, they are just continuing education programs that give you a nice diploma to hang on the wall with no official value but it gives the sense of accomplishment.

Some people just need the sense of accomplishment and having their name on a university in a diploma gives them that. Call it ego boosting or diploma therapy, sometimes we just need that. Others just like to learn something cool without spending a fortune but they like the idea to get a university name in the diploma.

Maybe you can get a degree in positive psychology from masterrcursos, that might help you. I can send you a discount coupon if you are interested.

 

A good experiment would be to get these ECTS from ENEB, Isabel, etc and get them evaluated as US credits. Then use them to get a degree from any of the Big 3 RA schools.
I am not so sure if ECE would accept Azteca, UCN, etc for credits but they do accept Spanish schools. The CLEA credits are from Mexico so it is not so clear if ECE would evaluate them as credits but it might be worth a try.
The main issue is General education, even if you get all these credits in a transcript, you still need to complete general education credits. I believe you can use credits from study.com for this purpose.

 

Thanks for this. I remember the sticker in a university diploma to legitimize it. My point is that people have come with different models to legitimize their diplomas. The example of the OP is clever, i am using names of big schools in my diploma to make it look legit. It is similar as the sticker that makes look the school legit because of this.

 

They are using a loophole for sure but they are making money and government is unable to shut them down. If they are open is because people are buying and finding use for them.
University of America uses the same model, they are registered as a high school and issue diplomas based on this.

 

OUCH!! the member you are referring is a legit learner. The PhD from UCN at some point was recognized by foreign evaluation credential services. He made a decision based on the information that was available at the time. He did the work and enrolled there because cost.

Enrolling in any program from a country with little protection to foreign students is a risk that is compensated by low price. At some point I was about to enroll at the University of South African but I never did because the service was horrible with little response. The school is totally legit but in a place where the law is not very strong and I would have little recourse to get my degree if problems so I never enrolled there.

When you are a distance learner, you are subject to abuse and bad service. If you are a student at a Australian or UK University, you have recourse because the laws in these countries are strong but I don't see the Nicaraguan government being involved in a case of complaint against UCN when the whole government is about to collapse.

 

No argument here. I'm slagging the school, not the student. And they fully deserve it. What they did is not right -- whether or not the government is about to fall. Maybe they can find room for the University folks in cells with the political prisoners... or even better, among the desaparecidos.

 

Depends on what you mean by "cost."

Creating and running a school, then getting it accredited could cost millions.

The total cost of getting an existing school through DEAC's accreditation process can be done for less than $100K.

 

The schools in question were not in the UK, IIRC. And it wasn't just a sticker. Essentially, the university was "validating" them. Before the advent of foreign degree evaluation services, this validation--because it was substantive--gave the degrees some meaning. But not in the long run.

 

Well, Canada is famous for its " Canadian experience". Immigrants coming to Canada are struggling to find jobs even if they hold legitimate master's degrees from the UK or EU countries )
One of my friends, who is ACCA/ CPA Canada qualified, has an MBA from University of Central Lancashire, Big 4 audit experiences, but now ends up working at customer service in Toronto. What he lacks of is call " Canadian experience"

 

Yes - that's a real problem - and I've heard about it from other immigrants (I'm one, too) for 60+ years. The people who tell newcomers that crap are flat-out xenophobes - and have a real lack themselves - sometimes it's basic intelligence, other times they're following age-old policies of professional organizations, designed to exclude newcomers, or keep them at the bottom of the heap.

It's pervasive and it's one Canadian thing I'm not at all proud of. Another thing I'm not proud of, is the number of Canadians who came here as immigrants, mostly many years ago, who now disparage more recent immigrants - usually those of different race / ethnicity /religion from their detractors.

There's a lot of this attitude -- and it's awful. And it's been handed down to succeeding generations who were born here. Once racism gets entrenched .... then again, our country was founded on racism -- look what we did to our First Nations. We have an AWFUL lot of work to do here --- and a lot of people are just not enthusiastic about getting it done...

 

Now that you mention it, I definitely remember hearing that immigrants needed Canadian experience to be competitive.

I've never heard similar in America.

 

Here's a sample. When I was a teenager (around 1960) one of my friends had come from Scotland to Canada with his parents a few years earlier. His Dad arrived as a welder, fully-qualified, trade papers etc. with more than 20 years' UK experience. He was hired by a large company on one condition - he'd not be hired as an "A" class welder, but a "B" class, at considerably less money, Why? Here's the dialogue:

Personnel guy: "How long have you been in Canada, Mr. H.?
Mr H.: "About six weeks..."
Personnel guy: "That's your Canadian experience, then. Six weeks. Not enough for an "A" position.

My friend's dad took the "B" job and lower salary, because he had a family to feed and needed to work immediately. Three years later, when he told me the story, he was still being paid "B" class, by the same company. How much "Canadian experience" was enough?

 

Professional Associations actively make it difficult here, for foreign-trained professionals, including doctors. I read an account of a doctor from Africa (I forget which country), who had successfully practised in her home country and in Finland.

She came to Canada, wanting to practice in Manitoba - and no medical authorities would even tell her where or when she could write the qualifying exam. Eventually, despite the hostile reception, she found out on her own, applied for, took and passed the qualifying exam. At the time the article was written, she was practising medicine in Manitoba.