Trumpian daydream

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Mar 19, 2023.

  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism"
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That he's nominated as the GOP presidential candidate. This country needs to decide what it is and is going to be. The only way I see to do that is to take this head-on. Oh, sure, it's far beyond any one guy, but he's the one tore the lid off of the crazy jar, so defeating that starts with him.

    Then, the day after the election, a newly reelected Biden pardons Trump and we can get on with repairing the country.
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ooops. It's not a 7-count indictment. It's a 37 count indictment. That brings the scoreboard to:

    Donald Trump: 71
    Hillary Clinton: 0

    Trump's birthday is tomorrow. Better be a file hidden inside that cake.
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A defendant's intent is frequently the hardest part of a prosecutor's case to prove. It looks like Corcoran's notes when talking to his client Trump was extremely detailed and complete. It makes it extremely clear what Trump's intent was. Trump states many times that he wants to obstruct the government at every turn. Much thanks to Corcoran's notes and Trump trying to commit crimes using his attorneys so the lawyer/client privilege could be pierced
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  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    A confidential file??

    Yeah, I know.
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I love how Trump casually invites people--even attorneys--to enter into criminal conspiracies with him. "Can we just tell them we don't have them?"

    You would think Trump, of all people, would understand that attorney-client privilege can be pierced by criminal behavior.

    MAGA: Make Attorneys Get Attorneys
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Don't think so. Just looked it up - his birth date is June 14. That's next Thursday.

    "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021."

    From here:

    @Rich Douglas Rich - if you still think Trump's birthday is tomorrow --- ask to see his birth certificate. :)
  8. Vicki

    Vicki Well-Known Member

    My Trumpian daydream… he is found guilty and sentenced to solitary confinement…. Since he can’t be trusted with classified information, we don’t want to risk him talking to anyone.
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I read it somewhere without verifying it.

    Well, that gives us more time to back the cake with a file in it. An unclassified file, of course.
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    According to the Guardian, Trump had nuclear secrets stashed in the bathroom. Kinda hard to explain THAT away.
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    In Donald Trump's defense, there was a big crystal glass chandelier in that bathroom. (Note: I'm just making a suggestion to Trump as to what his best defense would be for that.)

    What I'm not sure of is how he explains away the boxes of secrets on the stage? How about, all the foreign spies sent to look through Trump's boxes would never guess that anything of real value could possibly in boxes stored in such a place. (Maybe that's a better defense than even the Chandelier defense?)
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    From what I can tell, "whataboutism" is their main defense of Trump. Reduce what Trump did to the level of Hillary (emails) and Biden (a few documents accidentally retained and returned immediately upon discovery), then complain that he's being treated differently.

    The other approach is, "Biden is weaponizing the Justice Department to go after a political rival." Of course, it isn't Biden; it's a special counsel. Trump is a citizen subject to the same laws as every one else. And, for good measure, he's a political rival only because he's choosing to be.

    So, if I knock over a liquor store, I can just claim to be running for town council and I'm set free?

    Donald Trump is a former public servant, nothing more. He deserves no greater consideration--nor should he bear a larger burden--than any other former public servant. He was granted some leeway while in office, but that's over. Now it's time to pay the piper.
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Actually the truth is probably that if say an army general retired and took hundreds of special access top secret documents with him after retirement then refused to give them back, he would probably already be tried found guilty and put in prison within a year and a half or so after retirement.

    What we probably will never know is whether or not Trump sold secret info to foreign governments. The most likely I'd guess would be Saudi Arabia. Perhaps the sale was even associated with the 2 billion dollars that his son-in-law got from them.
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2023
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This is my post from last Thursday daydreaming that DOJ and Trump would agree to a plea deal that Trump would plead guilty, drop out of the race, and agree to never run for office again. In return he would avoid jail.

    The reason I bring it up again is that on the Rachel Maddow show tonight she raised this same "daydream". She had on her show one of the prosecutors that had indicted Spiro Agnew back in 1973. They seemed to think such a plea agreement involving Trump was not very likely.
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  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I can't think of a proposal that would better energize the notion of "Look! The Swamp Creature Deep State is stacked against me!"
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  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That ("Bagman") is the only podcast I've ever listened to.

    No, they won't get such an agreement from Trump. Note that they didn't get an agreement from Agnew not to run for office again, either. But back then, the idea that a convicted felon (or an accused one under indictment) would run for president--AND receive significant levels of support--probably seemed absurd. After all, it's still preposterous today.
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  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    LOL! The LOL is because Bagman is the only podcast I've ever listened to. Maybe I'll listen to her Deja news podcast? The Rachel Maddow Show is my favorite news show.

    I think some other reasons the plea bargain daydream won't work in this case, there will likely be apparently 2 state cases and maybe 2 federal cases. Also, I assume Trump likes running just to rack in donations. He won't want to give that up. This documents case has Canon as a judge which I suspect makes Trump over confident regarding that trial.

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