Trump & Covid19

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I think it boils down to a repeat performance...of either 2016 or 2018.
     
  2. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    I may not be the sharpest crayon in the box and this could be wild n' crazy speculation, but it's almost as if one could perceive some of you as not being being fans of the POTUS. I dunno... something's shiny... forgot where I was going... oh squirrel!
     
  3. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Speaking of squirrels . . .

    (Sorry Steve, still too soon. Maybe after the pandemic.)
     
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  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Maybe. And the elections since 2016 have suggested that. But if they lose from unforced errors, it wouldn't be the first time that the Democrats have snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. Exhibit A is that they're going to nominate Joe Biden, who at worst is senile and at best behaves in a way that he can be credibly painted as such. And that's before the Trump-aligned PACs runs ads with Tara Reade in them.
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, I have my worries.
     
  6. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    On a serious note, while I'm not an avid listener of the Joe Rogan Experience, there's a reason he's as popular as he is. His podcast from the other day which is riling up the political blogs, can't be dismissed. He's garnered the following that he has by cutting out the bullshit and stating what a significant subset of the population thinks. Steve's summarized Biden's political position perfectly. Unfortunately even if their is a slow demographic shift towards the left, our society is not there yet, and there is literally no one that I've encountered that is "enthusiastic" of Biden. It really is hard to imagine winning a national election which can breach the electoral college, when a candidate offers (arguably) no leadership vision other than "not being that other guy". Particularly when the other candidate, if he excels at anything, it's gaining an emotional connection with his supporters. That so much of the DNC has embraced Biden, is plain... sigh... It just seems too reminiscences of the collusion between the DNC and the Hillary campaign, and their complete disregard from what their own party members and organizers were telling them.
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    President Trump's approval/disapproval ratings are incredibly stable. In the end, the Corona virus pandemic will make no lasting dent either way nor will the state of the economy in the fall. I still think he'll get a second term, one way or another.
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't matter.
     
  10. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    You may have become numb to his lawlessness but I have not.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't matter to his re-election chances, I meant.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    And if that turns out to be true it will be a sad indictment of the American people.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You mean the same American people who made him president in the first place?

    There is nothing about him that is known now that was not known then. This is why he is a real threat to be re-elected. The "American people" have experience electing him.
     
  14. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    While I know of a number of Republicans who've proclaimed his actions during this as the final straw, it really seems that a good percentage of his base have had their support solidified. I can't get over how foolish it is during an election year, for many of the Democrats to have pushed some of the proposals or pork additions that they have. They're solidifying the beliefs of his base and making support of him an emotional and existential requirement. I'm just not certain that the DNC strategy of simply having a "Not Trump" will suffice.
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    No, I actually meant the people who didn't vote for anyone. I suppose their passive participation in the election was a factor but given the small margin of victory, even a few percentage points (comprised of people who are now sufficiently bothered to get off the couch and vote) will make a difference.
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Occasionally a party will run a candidate that sets the world on fire. Obama, Kennedy, Reagan come to mind. Not this time. At least, I don't see any fire outside of the politically committed bases of each side. As to Joe Biden, I don't see any fire even in his base. And the man is not without serious weaknesses and vulnerabilities as a candidate. Trump's people will turn out. Biden's? Well, not so much. Defeating an incumbent President is a rare and difficult thing. Trump's approval rating has shifted up a bit but it's still astonishingly stable even in the midst of a national crisis. He isn't any more popular than when he won the Electoral College the first time but here's the thing. He isn't any more UNpopular, either.
     
  17. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    If anything, I truly believe this has galvanized the bulk of his supporters. Particularly those in many key states. In the end though, it will likely just depend on which direction the wind blows in the key mid-western states and Florida.
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps. But suppressing the vote is one of his three strategies for getting re-elected. The other two are solidifying his base and obtaining foreign assistance.
     
  19. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    With Kemp in Georgia, the North Carolina GOP fiasco, and what's currently going on in Wisconsin... I think they have the voter suppression on lock.
     
  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

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