Trump condemns Charlottesville violence but doesn’t single out white nationalists

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  1. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Trump Cures Several Diseases, Ignores Osteoporosis in Vile Act of Misogyny
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You make those sound unconnected when they're outraged at Trump's weaselly weak statement because of the seriousness of what happened, and what is happening in general in American society. Trump is not personally responsible for the actions of others, but when he has a bully pulpit and can't be bothered to use it, that too is an action.

    That's probably true. But it's not analogous to this situation.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    If I bothered to look maybe I'd find one, maybe not. Maybe that's the point. Trump is losing support, even from the GOP.
     
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Can't lose what you never had.
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    He condemned the actions of those who committed violence. No different than Bernie Sanders after the Scalise shooting, and President Obama after the 5 Dallas Police Officers were shot and killed.

    Why is Trump held to a higher standard than those prominent politicians? Rhetorical question, of course.

    Trump never had the support of the RINO's, which I suspect is a huge reason why he won. Americans are getting sick and tired (many already are) of politics as usual, which is why I was so happy and amused when Trump threatened to make Congress live under Obamacare if they don't repeal and replace it. The hysterical reactions on both sides told me everything I needed to know.

    The Good Old Boys in Washington aren't used to this, the blasphemy of an outsider coming in, shaking up the status quo, and upsetting the apple cart. The good thing is that Trump doesn't care, and is going to do it anyway.

    LONG overdue.
     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    It's clear that he doesn't care. But as for "doing things," so far he hasn't really done anything. And if he wants to actually accomplish anything (aside from supporting white nationalists) he's going to need those RINOs. Oh well, he doesn't really care. If he actually wanted to accomplish any of those campaign promises it's easy to imagine that he wouldn't be so busy alienating most of Washington.
     
  7. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Good points.
     
  8. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    President Trump discusses the alt.left and the alt.right:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dntfgOTatIA
    (10 minute clip)
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Alt-right is a much more amorphous term than the media would have you believe. They generally used it to refer to extreme ideologues and reactionaries, but those don't represent a hands-down majority of those who self-identify as alt-right.

    In short, alt-right means different things to different p ople and I think the media is deliberately picking the most extreme possible interpretation of the term in order to poison the well.
     
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  10. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The epithet took hold when anti-Trump conservatives(?) weaponized it along with some green frog.

    It's going to mean, if not already, anyone not hewing to a far left agenda.
     
  11. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    eMSM is fully owned and operated by the alt.left

    eMSM = extreme Mainstream media (is fully owned and operated by the alt.left)

    eMBA = executive Masters in Business Administration
     
  12. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Good post, Maniac. I agree entirely. (Which is what makes posts good, I guess.)

    Personally speaking, I identify as 'alt.right'. I use that slightly nerdy term to mean 'alternative right'. And by that, I mean the long ignored, often dismissed and recently ascendant populist tendency on the right, contrasted to (and often opposed to) the 'Wall Street Journal' big-business Republicans and the kind of mainstream Republicanism exemplified by the Bush family dynasty, Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan.

    I started to describe those differences, but it threatened to grow into an extended essay, so I'll snip that.

    It's a caricature, being deployed by some of our more prominent would-be opinion-leaders, with crude guilt-by-association rhetorical purpose. The very fact that an 'alt.right' exists at all is evidence that those opinion-leaders don't have nearly the influence that they think they have. (No, the New York Times daily editorial conference doesn't "set the nation's agenda". Tens of millions of us pay no attention to the New York Times.)
     
  13. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I guess a million new jobs means nothing to you?

    Record-setting gains in the stock market mean nothing to you?

    Highest consumer confidence ever means nothing to you?

    That is precisely why Hillary lost the election, and the Republicans mopped the floor with the Democrats in the Congress and Governorships. Trump is working towards job creation and economic growth, while the Democrats are still stuck on transgender bathrooms and enabling illegal aliens.
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I don't believe this number. Trump just made it up. He lies about virtually everything.
     
  15. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member


    It's pretty easy to figure it out for yourself.


    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf


    Plus here, easy to add the number up; https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.toc.htm


    Plus these as well, almost 200K jobs per month, even after adjustments so far this year since Trump has taken office.


    https://www.adpemploymentreport.com/2017/February/NER/docs/ADP-NATIONAL-EMPLOYMENT-REPORT-February2017-Final-Press-Release.pdf


    https://www.adpemploymentreport.com/2017/June/NER/NER-June-2017.aspx


    Just adding up the jobs added number will get you far north of a million jobs "added".


    Take with the usual blue=good red=bad grain of salt however.
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I don't mean to try to argue Kizmet's point for her (sorry if it does seem that way), but I'm thinking the same thing she is, here. If I were to take as granted everything you just laid out, I can't see what exactly Trump has done to make any of it happen and don't see why he would deserve credit for it.

    1 million new jobs in 7 months is not significantly higher than the average of all 8 years of Obama's presidency, and remember- he inherited a recession. Stock market booms and consumer confidence are one part responsive and one part anticipatory. If Trump has anything to do with the resurgence in the market, it's because there are people who are in anticipation of what Trump will do, not because of anything he has done yet (and again, really, what exactly has he done yet?).
     
  17. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member


    Where does the line stop and the new one begin? He's not responsible for lots of jobs, but of course there's no denying he's responsible for violence in Charlottesville? Then does that make Obama responsible for Dallas last year?
     
  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I have no idea how you went from my post to this response, so I don't know what to say next.
     
  19. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member


    Alright, I can be hard to follow. Talk to you later.
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    All together now:

    Presidents
    Do
    Not
    Control
    The
    Economy!

    They do not deserve credit when things are good nor blame when they are bad, regardless of party or ideology.
     

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