Transfer fr SCUPS to NCU

I see the issue more clearly now, Simon... it's okay. I’ll concede to your opinion and you can believe in your mind that it stands as absolute judgment for everyone on the board. I don't know what I was thinking by presenting and discussing such unimportant information on this forum or expressing my opinion without obtaining your blessing and approval.

For those of us who, so mistakenly, may find issue with a strong interrelationships between NCU and SCUPS (such as shared programs, international partnerships, shared faculty, shared management/staff, shared IT infrastructure, and shared facilities), at least within the apparent scope of NCU's current accreditation, we will just tuck everything away into a little corner based on your summary judgment -- if for no other reason than to simply spare us from further sophomoric lectures and psychoanalysis, distracted arguments, and relentless barking.

Good day, Simon…and good luck with your future psychology studies at NCU, should you choose to attend the school. I too am hopeful that the SCUPS interrelationships will not dilute the future credibility of such a degree.

Tom

 

Ted,

As far as rubber rooms, persecution complexes and diagnosis goes, a review of your previous insulting, flaming and provocative post clearly reveals, with no provcation on my part, that you have no hesitation engaging in the very behavior that you hold me accountable for utilizing. I am merely responding in like kind. BTW, say hello to Dr. Freud. SImon

 

Simon,

My posts clearly and directly convey that I have concern and issue with the strong interrelationships that exist between NCU and SCUPS, so there is no revelation there. The posts also directly present substantiated and undisputed information that is credible and illuminate extended interrelationships that exist between the organizations.

Additionally, I presented nothing in my posts to suggest that separate board of directors do not exist, or that both organizations are not technically separate legal entities.

The facts are clearly presented as they exist, and so are my opinions and arguments. The information shows that strong associations exist between NCU, SCUPS and the NCU/HUT program, which give rise for concern from an accreditation and RA degree recognition perspective. NCA required the separation of both organizations for a reason. The extended interrelationships, in my opinion, appear to circumvent and obscure the intended separation and demarcation between the entities. With an obscured separation it is difficult to determine or ensure how or if each school actually operates independently, or if they functionally operate as one. There is nothing more intended from my discussion or posts.

Unless you have something to present that shows why the information presented is incorrect or unsubstantiated, or why my opinions are wrong, then I have no desire to continue our exchange or deal with your continued ad hominem arguments or persistent diversion from the issue at hand. Our readers can simply draw their own opinions and conclusions based on the presented information and facts. End of discussion.

Tom

 

Hi Tom

Simon tends to get in these argumentive threads every so often. Best to probably leave him alone and let him think he is making sense.

 

Dave,

Do you mean like your escalating the current situation by coming from "left field" to express your hostility while offering absolutely nothing at all to the discussion at hand? Do you mean like your pattern of becoming emboiled in a similar manner on other threads and merely stoking flame wars and then moving to the side to watch the results of your handiwork? Ah, now I understand what you mean by making sense. Your actions and input exemplify it perfectly.

 

Regardless of any promises I may have made in the past, the saddest aspect of this thread is that Sue was made to feel badly (by simon) when in reality simon is just a wannabe.
Jack

 

This is a very unfortunate situation but not surprising.

One poster, Dave Hayden jumps into the discussion, a pattern that he has demonstrated in other threads, makes hostile and inflammatory statements as if he is a model of exemplary behavior and then moves away to let the fireworks begin. Nothing new here but a repetition of past behavior.

Then jack Tracey, a poster who often presents his opinions in many threads that are obviously over his head and or out of his range of understanding or knowledge, now enters the fray and PROJECTS HIS feelings of himself, as a wannabe, onto another poster. This person, a proclaimed Social Worker, who by the codes of ethics of his profession is supposed to build up the image of others and protect their well being including anonymous posters in cyberspace, completely disavows his oath and engages in ad hominem attacks without the slightest insight into how this makes him appear in the eyes of others.

What is most significant is that these same two individuals have something in common. They were unable to substantitate their positions in the past in discussions with me and resorted to similar ad hominem attacks when unable to prevail. Now, when they think they have an opportunity to strike out they do so but unfortunately they are not instructing me or anyone else about appropriate conduct and are merely using the pretext of Suelaine and Tesch to ventilate their anger and frustration because of the pst. What a pathetic demonstration of inappropriate internet behavior and etiquette.

 

Lol,

Thanks very much for proving my point Simon. Feel free to continue your behavior. It will further illustrate my point.

 

One thing I can say about Dave Hayden is that he is consistent with the past.

By the way Dave, I know that you realize how much credibility you are banking with antics such as those above. Keep it up. We are observing the true meaning of maturity and outstanding contributions to the board as noted by your sophomoric posts above.

 

And so this proclaimed Social Worker watches the sulking wannabe, simon, recede into the swamplands. I never agreed to build up or protect cyber-wannbees and if that's your best argument then please allow me to scoff in your general direction.
SCOFF!
Jack

 

There are degreeinfo members who enjoy reponding
( for personal need ) without contributing or adding useful knowledge or ideas that may enhance informational resources. This is a distance education discussion forum.

Simon. Do you feel negative towards degreeinfo members?
Are there other websites that may cater to your need? Your comments are feeding their desire ( for thrill ) to reply and vise versa. Just ignore them and they will gladly do the same. However, if you have legitimate questions or concerns about
the field of education, im sure posters will eventually open up
and repond to your satisfaction ( without any criticisms ). Personal attacks are not necessary, on both ends.

Cheers,
Ray

 

And another poster by the name of Simon, who is presumably studying psychology, acts in an incredibly overly-bellicose manner and gets in fights with everyone on this thread and has the nerve to tell a social worker that he should build up the image of others and protect their well-being yet he apparently sees no need as a psychologist-understudy to get in the habit of building up the image of others and protecting their well-being.

 

And another poster by the name of Simon, who is presumably studying psychology, acts in an incredibly overly-bellicose manner and gets in fights with everyone on this thread and has the nerve to tell a social worker that he should build up the image of others and protect their well-being yet he apparently sees no need as a psychologist-understudy to get in the habit of building up the image of others and protecting their well-being.

 

I may be way out of line here...but didn't this used to be a thread on transferring to NCU from SCUPS?

 

I have been thinking the same thing for quite a while.

 

Exactly!

The fact is that Tesch has made statements that impugns the reputation of NCU. No one is contesting his right to express his opinion and inferences. However, there is no indication from NCA that there is any conflict of interest in terms of their violating any guidelines or statutes.

My issue with such inferences and opinions is that they negate the image of a school without being supported by facts. I have seen this previously regarding TUI and now with NCU. However, if NCA iindicates that there is a conflict then this brings a new light to this issue and may confirm Tesch's inferences and opinions. So far, this has not been done and based on my previous discussion with NCA, nothing unsavory is going on with NCU. Simon

 

Can't we all just cruise on the degreeinfo love boat and get along . There are many universities ( Ivy League to 4th tier ) that have done a few things considered spankable. Incorporated entities are like human beings. They make mistakes once in a while. Im sure NCU has made one or two boo boos in their existence. Like FSU, UF, John Hopkins, UC Berkeley, and Harvard. However, I believe NCU has the potential to be an excellent school. According to regional, it is ok for ncu to accept a limited amount of credits from scups. Am I correct? If so, then register as a non-degree seeking student at scups, reduce your cost and transfer some courses to an NCU doctoral program. When you graduate, you will have earned an RA accredited degree. So go ahead. Graduate and then take a trip to amsterdam or thailand to vent some steam .

Ray

 

Ray,

I appreciate your comments. However, I believe that your advise should be specifically directed towards those posters above who initiated these ad hominum attacks without any provocation. Most significantly they have derailed this thread without any regard to the rights of other posters who are not involved in their vindicative antics and are not interested in participating in a flame war but only in the topic being discussed.

Quite frankly, this is a problem on many forums such as this where some posters derive a large portion of their self-esteem from spewing out their opinions or conspiratorial inferences of wrong doing that casts a negative image on schools or implies serious violations of RA standards and guidelines. In turn, they feel that anyone who strongly disagrees with their position is attacking them! They seem to be missing the point that if they cast aspersions on a school that they should be be able to ETHICALLY substantiate their allegations/inferences/opinions with more than speculative assertions. This is too bad because by engaging in ad hominum attacks they attempt to close off any dialogue that in turn leads to flame wars. The thread topic is derailed, as in this case, and posters wind up bruised on all sides.

This was an issue in previous discussions of NCU as well as TUI. In fact, during its initial stages of development TUI was the subject of many negative inferences, opinions and beliefs without any substantive data on this board. However, as we all know TUI has proven to be a stable and viable distance learning school and until proven beyond a doubt, so is NCU. Spurious arguments that do not focus on the issues but instead attempt to undermine my or any other poster's credibility who is in strong disagreement, by casting negative impressions, will not change the fact that these posters are creating an environment of suspicion and distrust towards institutions that is grossly unfair, biased and in my opinion unethical. Simon