This is why "pastors" are obsessed with the fake "Doctor" title

only by people who were
a) ignorant
b) apathetic
c) running the same fraud

 

Are you saying that all unaccredited programs are diploma mills because they refuse to receive government funding. All unaccredited schools are not equal. These accreditation agencies force schools to raise their tuition costs sky high. One seminary was sited a $10,000 fine by tracs and told the school if they want to have a premier library they must expand their library so they wanted them to purchase books from them. They already had purchased 30, 000 worth of material of books in each category. It is unbiblical to charge people of faith $410 per credit hour leaving them with high debts from borrowed money from the federal government so they could receive title IV funding.

 

2 Peter 2:1

. . . 'Nuff said.

(Except to wonder, why do people continue to be baited by this idiot?)

 

I am with you on this. The current potpourri of accreditation does little for students except to increase their students loans.

 

Nobody on campus uses libraries anymore anyway. At least at my school, they go straight for the computers, they ignore the books on the shelves. If someone's trying to do original research, there might be some uses for the materials, but generally, even big schools won't have the resources anyway to support much of that.

 

No, I'm saying that you are a one-trick pony.

 

False Teacher, why not just read the Bible, instead of paying $410 per credit hour? You could also conduct Bible studies for free, if you can get people to attend.

 

So now I'm being called names just wonderful. Thanks for the scholary feedback

 

I am all for Bible studies being offered and I'm not against accreditation. I have said this plenty of time's. I am against "diploma mills" where people buy degrees which are called "diploma mills" however there are strong certificate programs that student's take that are not accredited which I have personally taken myself from the Urban Ministry Institute see www.tumi.org or see www.thirdmill.org or the Newark School of Theology that is approved by college recommendation service and the American Council On Education Credit Recommendation Service. They provide academic programs but are not accredited but can be transferred to accredited school's. I have taken these classes and enjoyed them and do not regret it because I didn't attend a Duke, Harvard,Morehouse or Yale Divinity School. The average a student pay's is between 23,000 to 53,000 or more to attend a seminary or college when I can get the same amount of knowledge from the Urban Ministry Institute for less.

 

Falseteacher, while we are here on earth, the ultimate goal is to preach the gospel (by words, as well as by actions) to bring as many souls as possible to heaven. Is the current accreditation system(s) interfering with your ability to pursue that endeavor? Or is the current accreditation system(s) impeding the gospel from being spread to every creature? What is your chief aim in life?

 

You haven't said anything that warrants scholarly feedback. You are uninformed yet completely confident in your knowledge. You state opinion as if it were fact. You make outrageous statements without foundation. You are disrespectful of others beliefs. That's enough for me.

 

Not so perplexing in that world; with the Wolf of Wall Street brand of pseudo-Christianity, it makes perfect sense. Most religious leaders take titles, in direct contradiction to what Jesus said. For many, it's "bishop", "father", "pastor", "reverend". Some add "doctor" to that list, most haven't even earned a real doctorate. Have they ever read Matthew 23? Probably, but they just don't care. Jesus said that stuff, you know, and if there's one thing the average megachurch celebrity seems to act nothing like, it's Jesus. It's about the titles and the wealth and the power, about the glory you can grab for yourself right here and now. I don't generally have a bad impression of Billy Graham, except for his son Franklin, who's become largely a political animal and allegedly draws a seven-figure salary "in the name of God" (and at one time twenty-some years ago, when living in the Minneapolis area, I was even approached by an intermediary of the general counsel for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, who wondered if I was interested in working as an attorney on his staff, so it's not like I'm anti-religious, I'm a true believer in the same God he professed to serve), but one thing that made my head explode with Graham was he allowed people to refer to him as "doctor", and if he'd had true humility and common sense, he'd have squashed that straight up. The guy earned exactly one degree, a bachelor's, and from a perfectly good, academically sound religious school, Wheaton, in a perfectly legitimate field, anthropology. That should've been enough. Dayenu.

 

One-trick pony isn't exactly calling down fire and brimstone on your head, it's not exactly calling you a "feckless c---" or anything. You should've heard the trash talking going on yesterday between my three teenage sons and me as we were playing pickup basketball. Got a little rougher than that, and the game got a lot rougher. I have a sore nose, skinned knee, fat lip and multiple aches and pains this morning. Hey, you have some history here, there's water under the bridge. Don't be defensive, just say "OK, OK, Kizmet, maybe you have a point, I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here, give me a chance." People are wary of you. Kind of starts with your handle. What gives there? What inspired that?

 

So your telling me at costs no school should have programs if they are not accredited? Even from what I had just mentioned. The school's that I have mentioned have academic programs and I love it.

 

It makes perfect sense for some schools to remain unaccredited. I once was a member of a huge church, a decent one at the time (though a decade or so later it went off the rails after a leadership change), and they were members of a very small denomination. As the flagship church, the leadership decided to start a seminary and grant M.Divs. The people running it were well-educated and not flakes, fortune seekers or millists. They wanted to pass on their knowledge to students to prepare them for ministry; they had no desire to build big libraries and publish in peer-reviewed journals, so accreditation was pretty much out. They were just trying to provide a means by which people could become certified within their denomination and get a theology education. They did not seek out a millish accreditation agency to give them false credentials. Everything was above board. If someone had gone through the three years at the seminary and then tried to get employment outside the denomination, it would've been easy to see what their education was, what it was worth, and the fact that there was no accreditation involved. It would've been up to the job-seeker to make their case, there were no false claims they could hide behind. One of the schools you've promoted is Andersonville (bizarrely and perhaps, appropriately, named after a nearby place: one of the most infamous prison camps of the Civil War), which does seek out millish accreditation and makes apparently false claims. There's the problem.

 

False Teacher, can you please re-phrase or re-ask your question in a different way? Your question is difficult to understand and it does not make grammatical sense, possibly due to a language barrier. Is English your first or second tongue?

 

From what I have recently learned is that they no longer connect themselves with ACI not TWAC. They are an affiliate of ABHE and in the accredited process and member of the Council of Private Colleges of America. However I do not endorse them. I uae institution's is open up for discussion only as an example. However all I do is try to givea balanced perspective. I must say that by all means I agree with you.

 

I apologize very much. Using my phone to type has been very difficult for me. I have been making grammatical errors on here alot. I try to make sense of it all to you but I'm not perfect. Sorry for the post's

 

Whatever Andersonville is now doing with accreditation is one thing, but inasmuch as they appear not to exist in the sense of being an actual institution of higher learning rather than a tiny office in a dingy one-story brick building by a lot fenced in with razor wire (and I'm not sure if they're even that, I can't tell if there's an Andersonville Seminary there by checking on Google street view), I sincerely doubt they'll ever receive legitimate accreditation. Again, the fact that they affiliated themselves with agencies that were apparently anything but legitimate is a black mark and a sign that they are nothing like the openly unaccredited seminary I described.

That said, fair enough with your decision not to endorse them. But one question remains: why the handle? Falseteacher. What the heck?