Tea leaves?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Aug 24, 2020.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No there isn't.

    "There is no cure for HIV, although antiretroviral treatment can control the virus, meaning that people with HIV can live long and healthy lives."
    From here: https://www.avert.org/about-hiv-aids/cure

    I think I hear the Nonsense Police coming! They're gonna be knock-knock-knockin' on DI's door. (Apologies to Bob Dylan.)
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It doesn't matter. Hunter Biden "smoking gun e-mail" (almost certainly, a forgery) is allegedly about Hunter arranging for a meeting between Joe Biden (a guy with no direct authority to help Burisma, btw) and some exec at Burisma company. In Trump Tower, the top of Trump campaign and Don Jr. ACTUALLY met with Veselnitskaya, representing a Kremlin-linked company which unlike Burisma was under US sanctions under Magnitsky act. This is according to Don Jr. himself; I honestly do not remember whether Mueller mentioned how President Trump later obstructed justice trying to hide this meeting. Reminder: Sergei Magnitsky is a Russian whistleblower TORTURED TO DEATH in Butyrka prison. "Adoptions" Don Jr. discussed with Veselnitskaya is code for2 Magnitsky Act and to Kremlin attempt to counter it by holding sick Russian orphans hostage to "punish" US. This is level of dirt incomparable to the common crook Zloshevsky, the guy Hunter worked for as a front. In addition, Don Jr's "smoking gun" email reveals Trumps and Agalarovs are on first-name basis. Not counting campaign links to active GRU officers, Deripaska, and Assange. Care about any of this?
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't know anything about any of this.
    What I know is that on issues that are important to me and I think also important to our country I think Trump is much better the other choice.
    We exchanged some "punches" here, nothing personal.
    OK, Life saving treatment, medications, not cure.
    That what I meant.

    But these dangerous mutated strands flue viruses that we get every decade or so, we should have treatment, medicine that takes care of these.
    At the minimum have suppression similar to what they take for HIV.
    Again I'm not a medical professional or scientist.
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Any information from any source that you don't want to believe can't be trusted. While any information from any source that you want to believe may very well be true. I've suspected that is the way that it works for a while now. Thanks for making it crystal clear.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Indeed, it's challenging to find reliable sources. If suppression is taking place and someone resorts to a less common way to publish their info.
    The info is not a gospel. It needs to be verified. You trust fact-checkers. I don't. I do read the info, and still, try to verify.
    The problem is that fact-checkers themselves can be unreliable sources for what's true or not.
    Fact-checkers make their own mistakes.
    We know that technology enables the proliferation of misinformation, so yes fact-checking is needed.
    But it is important to remember that old Enlightenment figure, Giambattista Vico's verum factum principle:
    the truth is made -- made by people with their own biases, limitations, and subjective standards.
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Let's say there was no conspiracy and Biden didn't reveal seal team 6 but some other media outlets following Obama saying that Seals were involved.
    Administration leaks that emerged after the bin Laden raid prompted members of Team 6 to worry about their safety.
    The questions that parents are asking are valid.


    “Who put them in an old slow-flying helicopter in a combat zone?”

    “Why didn’t they break them up into fast-strike helicopters?”

    “Who made this decision in the Defense Department?

    “Who made it in the Obama/Biden administration?”

    The Chinook was shot down by Afghan militants, and all 38 on board perished.
    Among the dead were 30 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALS, seven Afghan soldiers and one Afghan translator.

    “There was no eye in the sky tracking [the Chinook]. Why not?”

    On the night, Aug. 6, 2011, something went terribly wrong. And to this day, people are still debating what really happened.

    Is this correct or fabricated?

    Aaron Vaughn, one of the SEALs eventually killed in the ambush, told his mother, Karen Vaughn, to delete every reference to SEAL Team 6 from her Facebook and Twitter accounts.

    “I never heard Aaron this concerned and worried in his entire life,” Mrs. Vaughn said in an interview. “He called me and said, ‘Mom, you and Dad have to take everything down. Biden has just put a huge target on everybody.’”

    insurgents were boasting on the Internet they had taken out Team 6 shortly after the helicopter crashed. How did they know?
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re-litigating (in a one-sided way) an even that occurred years ago--and that has been investigated a bunch of times--seems silly. Why would anyone on this thread want to sit here and argue it all over again?

    There are a lot of Republican resumes flying around right now....
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Real journalist spend most of their time fact checking. That is why people wanting to learn what is going on in the world go to a reliable source for their information consumption.

    Folks that are more interested in demonizing their opponents, in dehumanizing their opponents, in finding stories that support their own political desires go to social media where their is an abundance of unverified usually fabricated made up stories for their information consumption.

    Lerner, you're free to find your entertainment where ever you'd like but you really have entered looney toons land. Hopefully after the election you will find your way back to reality.
    In the meantime here's five hours of entertainment for you.
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think because it shows something about the candidate who is competing for Nov US presidential elections.
    I mean look what happened to the last Justice President Trump nominated?
    Issues form more than 2 decades ago were subject to a big fight during confirmation hearings and testimonials etc.
    Democrats cared a lot about what allegedly happened more than 20 years ago and pushed hard.

    Now that we are talking about the US Presidency it is important to look at the candidate's actions or inactions during their career.
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    After the elections I will visit this forum from time to time, I think there were years that I didn't post here anything, the political section.
    I will enjoy posting in the educational discussions as usual.
    Also, the Covid 19 pandemic with all 5 of us home constantly is not helping, if you know what I mean.
    As to tunes, my grandkid is too little to watch it.
    But he seems to like these:

  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm with your grandchild on this, Lerner! "What doesn't happen in the forest." Best way to begin learning a language is like little kids do. They learn instantly - older folks a little slower, maybe, but still WAY faster than a book full of declensions and conjugations. We should have had some of this when I went to Ukrainian class back in '89 or so. Interesting bunch of classmates - from teenagers of Ukrainian descent , picking up an easy (for them) high school credit, to older immigrants - who could speak the language perfectly, but wanted to improve their reading/writing skills. I think I was one of about three true beginners - non-speakers - in the class. It was a great experience.

    Along this line, I have a DVD called "Baby Russian." Russian for little ones - and it works. It's vocabulary training mostly - very little on sentence structure beyond three-word ones. But hey - it's a start. A good one, too.

    ...And the owl-psychiatrist thing in the cartoon was neat! :) Thanks again!
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    For our oldest son when he was a baby we needed a nanny and somehow Russian speaking nannies didn't work out.
    So we ended up long term/years having a Hispanic nanny who spoke to him in Spanish, watched Spanish soap operas and sang Spanish songs to him, etc, etc.
    You should have seen people's surprise when he spoke fluent Spanish. His Spanish teacher in school was so surprised when he spoke Spanish especially when we came to parent-teacher meetings, she saw non-Hispanic parents.
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  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I can't explain.
    I take the militia members' plot very seriously, and it's not a luging mater.
    They also plotted to blow up the Michigan capitol.
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The explanation is really very simple. Our President has no moral compass. Our President has no ethics. Our President has no concern about anything except himself. That is the way he has been his whole life and the way he will continue to be. The USA presidency has been completely consistent on this since January 20, 2016.
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Mis felicitaciones, señor. Usted tiene un hijo muy inteligente. (Congratulations, sir. You have a very intelligent son.) :)
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Re: learning the way little kids do...my 88 year old piano teacher says that I not only learn piano the same way as her average eight year old student would, I progress at about the same rate as well for a given level of effort. This actually gives me hope for my pianistic future; there are some astonishing eight year old pianists out there!
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But adults DO have to be open to being taught as if they were small children and, according to my piano teacher, this can be an issue. Adult egos can get in the way. Also, children are whimsical which keeps the mood light. If I'm having trouble with something I shouldn't be having trouble with (a frequent occurrence) and I start getting frustrated with myself, she will sometimes remind me that "the piano hasn't played this piece for awhile and doesn't remember it too well." The comment always makes me smile and relax a bit. The strange thing is, if I'm playing something the piano DOES remember, the music just flies. The instrument becomes an extension of myself in a way that is very hard to explain except that the piano seems to be "alive" somehow.
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Congratulations. If you've been there, you're obviously doing things right - and right for you. That's a feeling you can't buy - but you'd be tempted to if you could, right? :)
    My favorite one-line music lesson is from the late, great Charlie "Bird" Parker: "If you don't live it, it won't come out your horn."
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