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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Millions of lives saved? China didn't even have millions of deaths. China apparently did a better job controlling the virus than Trump has in the USA. How did China do that? Did China somehow have a ban on all people already in China? Thinking this China travel ban possibly saved millions of lives defies all logic.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, do you really believe that maybe Seal Team six was executed?
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Lerner: Let's go ahead and stipulate that you support Trump. What is interesting is you being shocked that others might find that distasteful.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill,
    The Virus originated in China. It spread from China worldwide. I also call it Chinese virus, I think I started calling it like that before President.

    I think that Governors and Mayors mismanaged the Corona COVID 19 pandemic.
    Initially cramming old people into infected facilities among whom was the highest % of deaths, and still is.

    If you ask my view of a nonmedical or science professional, is that the whole approach to Convid 19 appears to be mimicking what China did.
    Isolating people who had Covid19 was a good part, but not treating them immediately was the bad part, allowing the virus to incubate.
    Reminds me of what was happening with HIV.
    The spreading of the virus is different but the treatment should be based on what we learned. Try to kill or reduce significantly the virus as soon as possible.
    Today there is this understanding, this is why the cocktail of meds is given to an infected person. Appears to work in the Trump case, and now others.

    COVID 19Virus appears not that strong, some even don't know they had it, children seem to not get affected, except a few asses.

    People who try to kill the virus immediately by means such as acid, as lemon juice appears to avoid major complications.
    This is according to leading MDs in Israel.
    If the virus takes 4 days to incubate you kill it before that time.
    Some do this by swiping lemon juice in their nouse and drink a tablespoon of it.
    The approach is extremely helpful. This is recommended in addition to social distancing, wearing masks.
    When there are symptoms it may be too late and more advanced methods and meds are needed Aldo MD's stated that it helped when mild symptoms just started to appear.

    Why there is no cure for the common flu? There is a cure for HIV.
    I think the decade or two the scientists should have worked on getting a cure to common flu.

    Anyway back to the politics of this. There were successes and misses by all sides.

    Now it appears there is an increase in the infections, some call it a second wave.
    1. try not to get infected.
    2. if infected work with medical professionals, get treatment, try to reduce and kill the virus before it incubates.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think being shocked especially when people who I think are bright and think differently.
    I think I'm not as bright so it alarms me to check further and re-examen.
    Like in the psychological experiments.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't know.
    But what do you think about the CIA whistleblower Alan Parrot claiming this and offering support documents?
    There seems to be proof, evidently, more might come out.
    So this makes me speculate.
    I don't know why when Sadam was captured etc it was all over the news, the videos of him.
    But when Osama bin Ladin was captured and executed it was hidden from visual news coverages and his body disposed of?
    Perhaps I now understand (speculate) why the US got a bad deal with Iran with the possibility of blackmail.

    Bill, is it a valid question to ask?
    Why are 22 members of Navy SEAL Team 6 dead shortly after their unit killed Osama bin Laden?
    “How could we lose more men in one mission than in the entire history of the Navy SEALS, and no one has been held accountable for it?
    So people, especially the parents of the navy seal team 6 are asking questions.

    “Who put them in an old slow-flying helicopter in a combat zone?”

    “Why didn’t they break them up into fast-strike helicopters?”

    “Who made this decision in the Defense Department?

    “Who made it in the Obama/Biden administration?”

    After Vice President Joe Biden revealed that SEAL Team 6 carried out the the operation that killed Osama bin Laden in May 2011,
    A parent said the members of his son’s team gave startling indications to their families they were about to meet their demise.

    Bill, I don't know, I understand that parents hurting and there are hard questions about what happened.
    Bad decisions of incompetent people or more?
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That is QAnon nonsense. I didn't look at it because it has apparently been taken down by Youtube. Probably taken down for being fabricated nonsense. All valid sources have said that this stuff is complete garbage. Of course, that kind of criticism of a conspiracy theory is usually explained away by the conspiracy theory itself.

    Here's an article about some fellow that got sucked into QAnon for a while but has since "escaped". The article is actually intended for your family rather than the people sucked into it, so maybe send your family the link?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/16/tech/qanon-believer-how-he-got-out/index.html

    Regarding the complete lie that the travel ban from China saved millions of lives. Consider that just over a million world wide have officially died from Covid19. It is really silly to believe these kind of statements from a pathological liar.

    Anyway, I wish you well but I know it's really a hopeless case.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The travel ban initially was on China but then expended later to include other countries.
    I think this was a much-needed approach that saved lives.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Really? Then why did President Trump create the worst results in the developed world?

    Go check the scoreboard.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I have no doubt that the results would have been even worse if the travel ban wasn't enacted.
    But it's only one important step, there are many others that need to be taken.

    But when you ask why Donald Trump created, I would ask why the Governors and Mayors failed?
    President Donald Trump gave them everything they asked.
    The responsibility is shared and we the people are as guilty.
    But in politics, everybody blames the other side.

    Knowing what we know today, the responsible parties could have done more to reduce the numbers.
    We did have supper spreading events such as riots, protests, parties, etc etc.
    I strongly criticize the rallies, be it elections gathering that is not keeping the guidance of CDC or other.
    We also are dealing with resistance from religious communities, be it churches, synagogues, musks, and other temples.
    Where a major daily activity of people's life is a ritual that requires gatherings multiple times per day, it increases the spreading of the virus.

    We all seen in the news as soon as the beaches reopened people stopped following the CDC and local government, health agencies guidelines.
     
  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I know it's a typo, but this sounds hilariously callous. :D
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I usually make more typos when I type a response using my cell phone.
    :)
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, there are many conspiracies, some are exposed and some are not.
    Some people get caught, and then it moves from theory to a bust.
    If you heard radical US groups are plotting to kidnap a governor etc, you would dismiss this as a conspiracy theory.
    This is no longer a conspiracy theory, they got busted.
    And yes I agree that there are conspiracy theories out there, many of them.
    Here is one for you, the NWO wants to decrease the human population on Earth to about 500 million people.
    On the one, I posted earlier (Seal Team 6), congresspeople took it further to investigate by the intelligence comity, etc, I didn't check deep into it.
    If I see that there is merit to this conspiracy theory I will respond with additional info, I think this was beyond theory, but an investigation.
    Speculation at this point.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You're still giving that ridiculous conspiracy theory more credibility than it deserves. There was no congressional investigation, there was nothing to investigate! Parrot is a looney toon with zero credibility. If there had been a congressional investigation we would have heard of it. Here's what 10 seconds of serious research dug up.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/conspiracy-theory-baselessly-claims-biden-had-navy-seals-killed/

    You really need to stop thinking that social media is a valid news source. Sorry, but you got suckered again.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2020 at 9:34 PM
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I haven't decided for whom I will vote. I'm still waiting to make up my mind. I've decided the criteria, though. I'm going to vote for the person who has shown competence functioning in the highest levels of government, who tends to deliver on his promises, who hasn't made decisions to get more than 100,000 Americans killed who didn't have to die, and who doesn't publicly tell an average of 14 lies per day, every day.

    I might also consider things like obstruction of justice, self-dealing in office, violating campaign laws, illegally paying people to be quiet about sexual affairs, disastrous trade wars, trying to remove health care from millions of people, and an odious personality.

    Again, not sure which candidate to go with. I'll probably just pick on while at the polling place. I mean, how hard will it be, right?
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Not getting into the weeds: Biden must really be an exceptionally clean politician, if in the heat of the campaign the best his detractors can do is yell "Benghazi!". Friend, Congress Republicans tried very hard to pin any wrongdoing there on Obama/Biden/Clinton and came up empty-handed. Total exoneration!

    New fangled "Burisma" "email" scandal: forget for a sec that it's a clear forgery, most likely Russia-made. Even the thing it baselessly alleges (Hunter selling access to his dad to a rep of a sleazy mining company) is no worse than just one minor thing about Trump - the "Trump Tower meeting" (to wit, a lawyer for a company facing US sanctions - for corruption and torture - getting access to Trump campaign on promise of help to said campaign from Russian intelligence sources. Not "fake news", this much Don Jr. actually admitted).

    Meanwhile, Bill Barr's DoJ concluded investigation of "unmasking" practices, with no report and no indictments. Here goes the so-called "Obamagate", aka "the biggest political scandal evah!!!". Total exoneration!

    It's hardly even needs calling at this point. Biden/Harris are winning.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Tell this to the loved ones of these who died on Obama/Biden watch.
    So what if it happened 8 years ago?

    The Benghazi attacks have been immensely scrutinized through several investigations — including a two-year probe by the Republican-led House Select Committee on Benghazi, which issued a final report in 2016. That report heavy criticized the Obama/Biden administration, including for insufficient security at the compound and its response to the attacks.

    And that's exactly what I said - on their watch, neglect to secure.
    By the way Ukraine also was on Obama/Biden watch.


    You don't need Borisma emails to know why the guy got the job, and why money was coming from China and Ukraine.
    Even if the emails are fake which is 50/50.
    Try to get a job with such a salary and no experience good luck!
    Biden lied when he said he had no knowledge about his son's deals. There is no way he didn't know.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2020 at 11:44 PM
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It was on your watch also. Di you have anything to do with these deaths? No, and neither was Biden or Hillary. Ask Trey Gowdy, he tried really, really, really hard to find something, anything untoward at all.
    Burisma board was full of people with little to no experience in extractive industries. All you need is a relatively recognizable name. I bet they'd hire Chuck Norris if he'd known to apply. This stinks, and this is also legal and incredibly common. Again, at its WORST, this story is actually less bad than the Trump Tower meeting - alone. The official COVER of that lawyer lady was representing a Russian oligarch under the Magnitsky Act sanctions, way worse than the middling Yanuk-era crook Zlochevsky. It's cute how you Trump marks suddenly pretend to care about these things.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Nobody pretends, people do care.
    You have most of the media attacking Trump 24x7.
    Trump Tower Meeting, is this about the offer to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary
    and her dealings with Russia that can be useful to the campaign?
    Russian lawyer / agent Natalia Veselnitskaya- well is there publicly available evidence that Veselnitskaya provided any incriminating information about Clinton, as promised.
    I don't recall if there was something in the Mouler report.
    I don't think you have accurate facts nor I for sure.


    I do not trust any fact-checkers. I do have my doubts and will wait to see if this senator makes the info public.
    BTW, How could they check the facts if they do not have the facts???
    Isn't the whole point of this is that the facts were suppressed?
    This could be like Twitter, Facebook killing/censoring the New York Post articles, and any related tweets.
     

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