Taras Shevchenko National Open University, Kyiv, Ukraine

Excellent info. Were you able to verify it?

 

I didn't hear back on any of my information requests.
But a very good friend of my showed very high interest in the subject did hear back from KNUOU admissions.
This is what he shared with me:

 

Here is what a friend of mines received after her inquiry

 

I believe that faculty here means a division of the school.

 

My wife also got a similar reply as your friends.

Nothing in the reply directly answers the question if the degree awarded via online studies at KNUOU is accredited or recognized.
It's a big plus that the logo is of the KNU.
I speculate that because they can't enroll Ukrainians into the KNUOU 100% DL degree programs because it's against the accreditation laws in Ukraine than its unclear what grants them accreditation/recognition today.
My thought can be biased, it is my understanding that in the USA a subsidiary of a college or university needs to earn accreditation on their own.
So I speculate the same is in this situation.

 

Yes - I'm aware that Khmelnitsky didn't like Catholics either (although he received a Jesuit college education in Polish, IIRC). When I took the course, I read up on him, among other Ukrainians of note. He was said to have usually kept three heads-on-a-pike displayed outside his camp - A Jew, a pig and a Catholic priest. I'm not sure how true this was, but ...Brrrr...

I believe there have been Jews in Ukraine since 7th Century BCE and since they were SO hated for SO long, I wonder sometimes why they stayed? I know Jews weren't liked during the days of Polish oppression, because the Polish Pani employed them pretty well exclusively as estate agents and bailiffs, - "assistant-oppressors," in effect, who did their masters' bidding. It seems that era might be remembered forever! Also, in our text, there was a picture of a Christmas play and I remember my teacher pointing -- "see that man, with the rat-like face. That's the Jew, who always appears in the play." Yii! It looked exactly like a Julius Streicher (Nazi) cartoon!

And one of the songs in the textbook- "Zalman, Bring the Key," I think the English title was. They couldn't hold church service until Zalman, the Jewish estate agent, brought the Church key. I'm sure this stirred unpleasant memories.

I find it was mostly older people of Ukrainian origin, 50 and up when I was in my 40s - who were very up-front and unafraid to make adverse comments about Jews, as long as none were present. Long memories - mostly inherited from previous generations, is my guess. Then again, prejudice crosses generational bounds with people of my background, too.... no real surprise.

J.

 

Pike thing is most probably propaganda. As for not liking Catholics - back then I guess it was good for morale to paint your war in religious terms, and since Poles were Catholics... Bohdan-Zynoviy Khmelnitsky was part of Polish nobility (as well as Zaporozian Kossackdom) himself, even though he was Orthodox, so personal hatred of Catholics... hmmm... highly unlikely. But I bet a number of his troops had these feelings, especially at the heat of war.

Fairly accurate.

 

This leader, Bogdan, was against Polish landowners, the Catholic clergy, and the Jews. Hundreds of Jewish communities were annihilated and hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed brutally.
The Ukrainians regarded Chmielnicki as a national hero but to the Jews, he was the Hitler of that time.
Jews not having their own country always had to choose a side. If they choose the wrong side then they had to pay the price. Moving from Poland to Ukraine with the expansion of polish came the economic opportunity.
Chmielicki told Ukranian people that the Polish had sold them as slaves "into the hands of the accursed Jews."
The angry Cossacks massacred tens of thousands of Jews during 1648-49 in a war that was worst of that time period.
The Cossacks wanted to free Ukraine from Polish domination and to be the rulers themselves. The Cossacks, a military class of Ukranian-southern Russians.
Today I'm told the Russian separatists use some of the same language, my oldest cousin who had to escape with his family the fighting from Donetsk to Sevastopol to move where his wife is from, tells some horrifying stories.

Some info can be found here.

Jewish Facts From Portland: Ukraine's Massacre of Jews-Worse Than Nazis

 

I should have known this was going to happen -- this has become "the AntiSemitism thread." That evil has certainly been associated with MANY places besides Ukraine. I'm sorry I brought this up - the topic is best-served on another forum, or at least in "Off Topic." My fault. Let's get back to universities - and I think we're done with KNU-OU. I officially called буллшит some pages back, subject to Stanislav's informed opinion and somewhat reluctantly agreed to by others. The Mother Ship has excellent standing - the best - but the offspring appears of doubtful pedigree...

J.

 

Yes, decimon. Punch Drunk emoji. Appropriate for me right now, I think. Still reeling...

J.

 

Reeling in the years.

 

Stowin' away the time...

"You been tellin' me you're a genius
Since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you
I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college
Didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge
I can't understand
Are you reelin' in the years
Stowin' away the time ..." (Steely Dan)

Back in the day, I used to think about Haldeman, Erlichman, Mitchell and Dean, the other cons (and Nixon) when I heard that "Reeling in the years, etc." chorus. The song was Watergate era, IIRC. :smile:

J.

 

PS - Steely Dan reunited and are still active. Sadly, founding member Walter Becker (guitars, backing vocals) died, earlier this year. Becker and co-founder Donald Fagen started playing together in 1967. A good, long ride.

Something I knew before I read the Wiki: "Fagen and Becker named the band after "Steely Dan III from Yokohama", an oversized, steam-powered strap-on dildo mentioned in the William S. Burroughs novel Naked Lunch."

Oh, baby --we're a long way from KNU-OU! :shock:

J.

 

Sure, let's discuss universities. And if you want to stay on topic of Ukraine and antisemitism, there is a university to discuss - Interregional Academy of Personnel Management, or MAUP. At core, it's Ukrainian answer to University of Phoenix - oldest and largest private university, has regional campuses, focus on business and business law, solid reputation for easy admissions standards and mediocrity. A place to get your degree while working, if you just need a diploma and do not care about prestige. Yes, they do have distance learning, although I don't think it's in English. However, what this place is also known for is antisemitism. It seems like it's President Herohy Shchokin is into this stuff and uses the university and it's in-house magazine to push antisemitism. REALLY brings down the school reputation, and smears Ukraine as well.
Fun thing: here are the ONLY two "notable alumni" listed on MAUPs Wikipedia page:

* David Duke, American politician, Holocaust denier, former Grand Wizard of the Louisiana based Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and former candidate for governor of the state of Louisiana (yeah, THAT David Duke. Apparently he got a PhD in History from there. Don't ask me what business does Personnel Management school have awarding History PhDs - I don't know. Unsure about the status of this award, too)
* Volodymyr Groysman, first Jewish Prime Minister of Ukraine (he's the PM now. President Poroshenko's ally)

 

I feel I have to share this story. I personally had a very happy childhood in Ukraine.

Now when my mother was 2 or 3 years old she remembers the Nazi German soldiers came into the village she lived in called Tirlivka. A very tall soldier approached her as she was playing on the street and asked her Yuden, Yuden? if she was Jewish.
A Ukrainian woman neighbor came out and told the soldier that girl was her daughter and that she was not Jewish. On that day they heed my mom and my grandma in a cemetery, the soldiers killed all the Jews in the village on that day.
The Angel Ukranian woman saved my moms life and today I'm alive telling this story. So while many Ukrainians preferred German rule over Stalin's and many collaborated as police man and camp guards also there were Ukrainians and Russians who resisted and saved Jews. My friend's father was among many children who were hidden in a monastery.

I will stop here.

 

It was a time of atrocities around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

 

Three days after Rabe was on the USS Panay it was sunk by the Japanese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Panay_incident

And to think they had so recently been our (the US) ally: AEF Siberia

 

Is it possible to split this thread in two? Two excellent topics beings discussed , the second more so.


Believe it or not my DNA has me going back to Western Europe (Europeans Jews), the Baltic, and scandanavia. Also I found out that DNA markers of a certain place may not have any relations to the current ethics makeup.

 

All history (including today) is a time of atrocities. Only variable is the ethnicity/religion etc. of the victims. Whose turn today? Lately, the Yazidis, Rohingya et al. and Syrians, some gassed, in a civil war, Ukrainian civilians... Who knows what tomorrow brings?

J.