Taliban leader says women will be stoned

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taliban-leader-says-women-stoned-195243252.html

All the work and effort of 20 years to promote education and equality of Women in Afganistan being destroyed by Taliban.

 

Did anyone expect otherwise? First thing these misogynist mad bombers did was zero in on, and destroy schools for girls.
NY Times article (2019) here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/world/asia/taliban-girls-schools.html

 

Yes, actually initually there were some understandings and hopes that the current generation Taliban will be more tolerant.

 

That would be VERY foolish to hope. Incredibly foolish to believe. They are what they are. Fanatics. They believe that women are their chattels and that their religion says they can do whatever they wish with them. In their minds, this includes killing. One of the Taliban, Ehsanullah Ehsan, shot Malala Yousafzai. Have you forgotten?

 

It doesn't. The most drastic thing I could find on that subject in the Qur'an itself was "As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) strike them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

But the Sharia laws - which are generally Qur'an-based - yes, there are horrible punishments for some crimes, e.g. stoning, lashing, amputation.

It may be of interest to some that stoning was never mentioned in the Qur'an.

 

It may be of interest to some that stoning was never mentioned in the Qur'an. It comes from the Book of Deuteronomy in both the Christian and Hebrew Bibles. Some good info here:

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/understanding-sharia-intersection-islam-and-law

 

Ehsan seems to be a variant spelling of Ihsan. Strange name for a crazed thug:

"Ihsan, is an Arabic term meaning "to do beautiful things", "beautification", "perfection", or "excellence". Ihsan is a matter of taking one's inner faith and showing it in both deed and action, a sense of social responsibility borne from religious convictions." - Wiki.

The world is full of strange juxtapositions. Expecting to understand them in a normal lifespan is the pinnacle of Absurdity.

 

Authentic Islam supposed to be against oppression. Taliban is not carying the flag of Islam but brings shame to it.

 

Many Arab countries treat women poorly. The Taliban is extra bad but UAE Iran etc. are only slightly better.

 

How true! I don't think the problem rests with Islam itself, except when the religious teachings are misinterpreted. I believe it rests primarily with man-made Shari'a law. Yes, the Qur'an is the first source of Shari'a, but it's filtered through various interpretations etc. Added to that are other sources - opinions of secular jurists etc - and Shari'a contains, among other things -- horrible punishments - e.g. stoning and mutilation.

We also see the prohibition of women in many occupations - and other forms of subjugation. All man-made (in all senses) and based on deliberate misinterpretation and misrepresentation.

My Province, Ontario, once approved the opening of a Shari'a court. Then-Premier Dalton McGuinty (a lawyer, prior to politics) was going to attend the opening ceremonies. Then his aides clued him in to the punishments etc. and approval was yanked.

Whatever the cause, I support Bill's statement 100%, although some minor improvement slowly comes. Saudi women can now drive - and since 2012, Saudi women no longer have to buy their underwear from male sales clerks, as they did previously, because women were not allowed to work in department stores. Since 2012 stores selling beauty products and lingerie must have female clerks. The rule was later expanded to the sale of dresses etc.

Give it a few more centuries....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

 

A lot of that bad stuff is also in local laws, which have little or nothing to do with Shari'a and a lot to do with repression and subjugation of women, long-implemented and perpetuated by men. That's a written and unwritten tradition, only partly enshrined into law.

 

Sadly the west caused much of the extremism. The British toppled the king in Iran, we topped the government in Libya and on and on. Does anyone think the current governments of any nations we've been involved with has gotten less extreme? We have caused the deaths of millions of muslims and yet we sit here acting as if Americans are some kind of artibutors of morality lololol. Americans are insane, we randomly attack foreign nations, or hire thugs to do it, murder anyone who tries to stop them and then americans sit around and talk about how evil they (Muslims) are.

Next tell me how communism has never succeeded from an American point of view.

 

My above comment was not directed at you. Just mixing multiple thoughts together in one post. I didn't want you to think i was coming at you or anything.

 

Don't worry - I didn't. And I don't think of the rank and file of Muslims as evil. Islam itself - not at all. Terrorists - especially like Taliban, and Boko Haram in Africa, who target other Muslims - particularly women and girls - yeah, they're pure-D evil.

My main point was - there is a strong history of repression and subjugation of women and girls in some Muslim societies. I don't believe this is a result of Islam itself -- but of opportunistic misinterpretation of scriptural law, bad secular laws, and custom going back to tribal days, all perpetuated by men to preserve their "supremacy." The same thing happened in Christian society and there are still sects, some moderately, and others extremely misogynistic.

Many Western nations have made significant progress in women's rights , although we're far from done. Once the current generation of old, white males (e.g. myself) ha passed on, the pace will likely pick up. Parts of the Islamic world are also making progress - e.g. Saudi Arabia. It is slow, possibly because they started from a place with much more stringent restrictions for women. Some Muslim nations have an additional barrier to the equality process - terrorists like Taliban (can you believe - that name means "Students?) who kill women and girls who try for progress in any way - like opening a school for girls. Unfortunately, aging - and dying - terrorists won't help progress. It's been said (correctly as I see it) that "there's a new Osama Bin Ladin born every five minutes."

Sadly, I don't doubt there's a new Haibatullah Akhunzada (Taliban Leader since 2016) born every five minutes, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibatullah_Akhundzada#:~

 

Meet the new Taliban.
Same as the old Taliban.

 

Absolutely.

 

Another anomaly. The Taliban leader's first name, Hibatullah, means "Gift from God" in Arabic.

 

And becoming closer to the old Taliban until they can no longer be any noticeable differentiating between the two.

 

Rainy Day Women #12 & 35.

 

Comic relief. Much needed here - on a dismal, appalling subject.
"For this relief, much thanks." (Francisco to Bernardo, Act 1 Scene 1 - Hamlet.)

Grade 13, 1959-60, English Lit. Mr. R.K. Warner, for me.