Susan Rice ordered spy agencies to produce spreadsheets of who talked to Trump

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    That was not your attitude towards reports of Clinton misdeeds. Besides, even White House is not disputing that Russian interference happened.
    I am extremely curious why Russian billionaire Rybolovlev apparently just gave Trump $50M markup on a Florida house he then decided to demolish, and why would they both flew into a tiny Concord airport at the same time last year. Just for background, "Russian billionaire" and "person close to Putin" are complete synonyms. Also, where are the tax returns? How about shady people he dealt with Trump Baku or Trump Toronto for that matter? Hiring a poisonous snake on Russian retainer Paul Manafort to run his campaign? Flynn?

    On a related note, there is N-O evidence Susan Rice did anything other than her job on this issue.
     
  2. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    I see MSM mentioned in the media occasionally so I tried looking it up. Do you mean MSN?
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Maintream media.
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It's a new acronym for leftist Mainstream Media that people have begun using -- instead of typing out the entire thing.
     
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  5. jhp

    jhp Member

    Have any of you noticed that since the Rice revelations almost all Trump/conservatives' related news have dropped significantly? Take a look at here @ DI... Several anti-Trump/conservative news links then suddenly silence...

    I aggregate some other sites and same. Facebook, Yahoo, Google News, Reddit. Sudden silence.... Wonder why? /s
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In other words, when conservatives use it, it doesn't include Fox News, even though they're just as ridiculous.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    They do it by designating some of the corporate media as "leftist". Probably confuses the heck out of the real leftists, like Prof. Chomsky ("Manufacturing consent").
     
  8. Helpful2013

    Helpful2013 Active Member

    In conversations with friends, I have been comparing the Obama administration’s spying on Americans (like the US Senate) to Nixon’s Watergate for some time, and those individuals, from a range of political backgrounds and nationalities, see the similarities and recognize the huge increase in scope. Yet the American media and public seem quite apathetic about something that within living memory was considered worthy of impeaching a president.

    It’s remarkable how much all this resembles something from the Robert Redford movie Sneakers or perhaps the television show Person of Interest.
     
  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    it also bears a strong resemblance to certain paranoid fantasies
     
  10. jhp

    jhp Member

    ... Just want to ask since we are talking about former National Security Adviser Susan Rice...

    Didn't she say in an interview, the Obama administration got Assad to remove the chemical weapons? That it was verified?

    Was it "[w]e were able to get the Syrian government to voluntarily and verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile."

    Hmmm.... So.... Was she also involved with the Iranian nuclear deal?

    But, we have paranoid fantasies. No. We are having nightmares. Worse, you are part of it, and you do not even know it. :redface:
     
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  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    at least we agree that it's a nightmare
     
  12. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Hmm, maybe some people have become quite bored of Trump. He is so predictable.
     
  13. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    I don't recall your having predicted his actions. What are your current predictions?
     
  14. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I think that the motivation among most of us who use the phrase 'Main Stream Media' is that so much of the media so often serves as the propaganda arm of the Democratic party. 'MSM' refers to the big broadcast networks (NBC, CBS and ABC), CNN and MSNBC on cable, and to most of the more influential big-city daily newspapers.

    Sometimes it's kind of amazing to watch how their coverage on events changes in unison as they switch from reporting pure news (which all of them do pretty well) to spinning the same news in subsequent headlines on slower news days. It's typically the same spin and very similar headlines, basically repeating Democratic party talking points.

    I don't think that the 'MSM' actually receive orders from the Democratic party, though it often seems that way to Republicans out in Middle America. Orders would be unnecessary and what's more, many journalists love to imagine that they are hard-nosed free-thinking skeptical 'investigative journalists', and would rebel against any hint of orders.

    It's more a matter of herd instinct. I would guess that up to 90% of big-city journalists are Democrats themselves. Especially the editors and producers. So they just naturally share a world-view that they often seem to confuse with objective reality. Many of the leading news outlets operate from New York City, within a few blocks of each other in Manhattan. They eat at the same restaurants, drink in the same bars and show up at the same parties. (After having attended the same prestigious J-schools where they were indoctrinated by the same professors.) The top people know each other andl talk to each other.

    It's a sub-culture, where thinking on events is homogeneous in fundamental ways, ways that blind its members to the very existence of thinking that is different than theirs. It's a world where everybody that matters is a Democrat and thinks like they do. Their views become middle-of-the-road in their own eyes with everyone else out on the extremes. Republicans (half the American population!) become extremists simply by definition, somewhere out there on the crazy fringe of their cozy little social world. (Nobody they socialize with would admit to being a Republican, would they?)

    So the 'MSM' totally missed Trump's victory in November and then they totally misinterpreted the reasons for it. Their opinions always seems to be hostile caricatures. There are things happening out here in the wider world that journalists will only perceive and hopefully someday come to understand if they can escape from their sealed little bubble.
     
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  15. jhp

    jhp Member

    I lump Fox News with the MSM. I am skeptical of all media. There is always an agenda.
     
  16. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    How do you know when Susan Rice is lying?

    Her lips are moving.

    I honestly think that woman doesn't know what the truth is anymore, she's lied so often and so blatantly.
     

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