Susan Rice ordered spy agencies to produce spreadsheets of who talked to Trump

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  1. me again

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    Susan Rice, the national security adviser for Barack Obama, ordered U.S. spy agencies to produce spreadsheets of Trump's phone calls, according to former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova.

    “Intelligence agents intercepted phone calls that unmasked Trump's associates in legal conversations. Trump's conversations involved no illegal activity. The only illegal activity was unmasking the names of people in the phone calls,” diGenova said.

    Former Obama Deputy Defense Secretary Evelyn Farkas admitted she urged colleagues to “get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves.”

    Michael Doran said that “somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security and partisan politics. This was a stream of information that was supposed to be sealed from politics, but the Obama administration blew a hole in that Constitutional wall.”

    Doran said, "it is a felony to leak signal intelligence. And you can get 10 years for that. It is a tremendous abuse of the system. We’re not supposed to be monitoring American citizens. However, even bigger than the crime is the loss of public trust in how American intelligence is being used.”

    Colonel James Waurishuk (Ret.) said, “this is using national intelligence to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president. We’re looking at a constitutional crisis. Intelligence capabilities were used to spy for political purposes. That sets a dangerous precedent.”


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    DiGenova: Rice Ordered 'Spreadsheets' on Calls Involving Trump, Aides | The Daily Caller
     
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    CNN Tonight - "fake scandal ginned up by right-wing media and Trump"

    Delicious. I would not be surprised if "Rice turns out to be a Russian plant"... Liberals eat their own, for the cause.
     
  3. me again

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    Using American intelligence to spy on partisan opponents is reminiscent of two-bit dictatorships where the self-appointed king thinks he "owns the State." The un-Constitutional use of intelligence in partisan politics must be stopped. On the contrary, the U.S. Constitution is:
    - of the people
    - by the people
    - for the people

    The Constitution was specifically designed to abrogate dictators, despots and kings. Let's keep it that way.
     
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    A "dictator" that just peacefully transitioned power to your false leader? That guy? Worst. "coup". ever.

    Comey reportedly tried to expose Russia tampering before election

    It looks like the Obama administration went to somewhat great lengths NOT to use intelligence and law enforcement in partisan politics. It's actually a speciality of Republicans in Congress since Clinton times. So trying to pin this on Obama is seriously disingenuous - and hypocritical. Remember many warnings the Lord gave to hypocrites?
     
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    Scott Uehlinger - Cannot have it both ways between "no surveillance was conducted" and know everything there is to know about Trump and Russia connections.
    "it’s clear they had another intent, and I believe the intent was to allow for further leakage to give more people access, thus more leaks, which, in fact, would hurt the Trump administration. It seems very obvious when you put that together and combine it with the actions of Susan Rice and other people in unmasking people. That is the true purpose behind this."

    Bloomberg’s Eli Lake might want to be careful crossing the street. There might be a crazy "Russian" truck driver accidentally run over Mr. Lake, repeatedly.

    Muhhahahaha! Delicious! Delicious like a well made pie!
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

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    "We weren't monitoring your phone calls, we were merely recording the phone calls of the people you talk to" is the sort of tortured truth that only a politician could love.
     
  7. me again

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    SteveFoerster, your humorous quote is painfully true.

    When Trump first tweeted that his phones were wiretapped (that's the old fashioned term for surveillance), it was only a matter of time before the truth would eventually come out. And now, the truth is finally coming out.
     
  8. Stanislav

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    Well, you better hope that the activities of certain foreign actors are monitored. Especially if they're connected to governments that derive all of their political capital from posturing as US adversaries. If Trump wanted to deal with these people, including what appears to be taking thinly-disguised bribes, maybe it was not such a good idea to get elected President. On the other hand, maybe it was.
     
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    I wonder if any sane person thinks unfettered monitoring is a good idea, even of politicians. That is the kind of things КГБ did...
     
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    Zrobyty ameryky znovu zdorovo!

    Kiberviyny, shcho vidbuvayetʹsya mizh usima krayinamy svitu na deyakyy chas.
     
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    Fort Marcy Park is melting in the dark...
     
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    Everyone knows that is just a conspiracy theory. Wikipedia said so. Just like the crazy idea that the Government is monitoring... oh... Well, it is just like that the Democratic party colluding with the Clinton campai.... dang it... Ok, well the conspiracy theory that a trusted moderator would give the debate questions to their favorite candidate... .... .... YOU BE QUIET AND SIT IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM OR WE WILL BEAT YOU; THIS THREAD IS RESERVED FOR VIOLENCE FREE, FREE SPEECH!
     
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    This is just another desperate attempt by Trump to show that his wires were tapped. In the end (and even now) it will be seen as a smokescreen for the investigation on the Trump-Russia investigation.
     
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    Let the truth ring out loud and clear.
     
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    Yep. Let the fact based truths win.
     
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    Yes, we'll see.
     
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    MSM = leftist mainstream media

    The facts are most certainly coming out and it will result in the leftist-controlled MSM losing even more credibility. Yes folks, that's a reality.

    People fight the hardest when they are in life-or-death situations. The leftist MSM is fighting the hardest because they are:
    - losing viewerships
    - and subsequently are losing corporate profits
    - and are losing credibility with the backbone of America: the people.
    Media profits in bygone days were the exclusive domain of the leftist MSM. However, those corporate profits are rapidly being displaced elsewhere. The American MSM production of wickedness, lies, deceit and fake news has corporate consequences.

    Donald Trump will serve two full terms in office as president, for a total of eight years. During that time, it will be interesting to watch the MSM get cleaned-up and returned to integrity. It will happen.
     
  19. heirophant

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    "Desperate"?

    I think that it's been definitively established that many of Trump's and his people's communications were (and likely still are) being intercepted. The only point in Trump's 'wiretapping' tweet that still remains in question is whether Obama ordered it. Given Susan Rice's reported involvement and given the reported wide distribution of the unmasked names and transcripts, if the allegations are true, then it's hard to believe that Obama was kept out of the loop and it was all happening without his knowledge. But all of this needs to be more definitively established.

    If this turns out to be what it looks like, it will be a scandal of historic proportions, far bigger than Watergate. That was just Nixon using his own personal operatives to burglarize Democratic party offices. This would be the employment of the massive surveillance capabilities of the country's intelligence agencies as political weapons, in a fishing expedition in hopes of gathering any possible dirt on a disliked political opponent.

    Which in my opinion is a desperate attempt to cast a shadow of scandal over the incoming administration. Virtually every aspect of this supposed Trump-Russia investigation is just innuendo.

    1. The Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta. But do we really know that it was the Russians? Reportedly, the Democrats didn't allow the FBI to examine their computers and instead turned them over to a private company they had hired. The US intelligence agencies seemingly reached a conclusion that it was the Russians based on the results of this private investigation commissioned by the Democrats, but reportedly without examining the Democrats' computers themselves. Is that true? It needs to be further investigated.

    The conclusion of Russian involvement was packaged in highly misleading form, in which it was suggested that 17 intelligence agencies all agreed on it (Hillary said as much) even though many of the intelligence agencies in the "intelligence community" have nothing to do with cyber-intrusions and wouldn't have even been involved. That in itself strongly suggests that the claim was coming from then-DNI James Clapper, since his job was to oversee the entire intelligence community.

    And interestingly the private security firm employed by the Democrats was founded by and is currently run by a Russian immigrant/expat (I don't know whether he's acquired US citizenship) so there's a Russian connection right there. This guy may turn out to have his own agenda and hoped to use all this to attack Putin. (Given the dangerous neo-Cold War hysteria that's been aroused, if that was his goal then he's succeeded brilliantly.)

    The company reportedly concluded that the Russians were responsible, based on a highly inconsistent conjunction of assertions that the hacker was supremely competent and had used excellent "tradecraft", hence was probably a professional and a state-actor, and that the hacker had left identifying clues behind that a competent intelligence agency would almost certainly never have left. I'm not a computer security professional, but it just sounds bogus to me.

    2. We don't know whether the Republicans (or Hillary's amateurish home-brew server) suffered similar intrusions.

    3. How do we know that the hypothetical computer intruders, whoever they might have been, were the same ones who supplied the DNC and Podesta files to Wikileaks? I'm not convinced that connection has yet been made. Given that they largely concerned the Democratic primary process and illustrated the party establishment tilting for Hillary against Bernie, I'm still inclined to speculate that Wikileaks might have received the files from a disgruntled Bernie supporter inside the Democratic organization which might have been leaking like a sieve. There may have been multiple information leaks.

    4. We don't know that the Wikileaks revelations, wherever they originated, had any effect on the general election. All of this blustering seems to me to be a desperate attempt by the Democrats and their media enablers to avoid facing the fact that they decisively lost much of the white working class that traditionally have supported them. Nothing on Wikileaks made Hillary lose Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Her over-confidence in the Democrats' "blue wall" and her party's obsessive emphasis on identity politics did that.

    5. We don't know that Trump and his people had anything to do with anything that supposedly happened. That's all just a supposition based on the fact that if something was embarrassing to Hillary in the primaries before the Democratic convention, and Hillary subsequently became the Democratic candidate, then it would arguably work in Trump's favor in the general election.

    Trump had made a smart-ass remark that if Russia had hacked Hillary's home-brew server, he wished they would make her missing e-mails public. And he indicated that he wanted to improve relations with Russia, so non-sequitur piled atop non-sequitur and he became a presumptive Russian agent.

    So apparently the steroid-inflated communications surveillance capabilities of the United States government were deployed against him under the cover of a "counterespionage investigation", in hopes of finding something, anything, that they might use against him.

    Perhaps not direct targeting of all of his domestic communications which would require warrants, but searching all intercepted communications with foreigners (The NSA intercepts all communications going into and out of the US, by satellite or cable, as well as communications to and from all foreign delegations in the country including the UN.) So order up a computer search for Trump's name or the names of any of his associates in that traffic. Then unmask the communications even if they had nothing to do with Russia and distribute them to political allies around the "deep state".

    And if that turns out to be what really happened, it would be one of the biggest political/government scandals ever in US history, reducing Watergate to relative insignificance. This one directly threatens American democracy itself. It's most definitely where the investigations need to focus.
     
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    This whole foolishness has been a conclusion in desperate search for evidence from the start, and there is N-O-N-E.

    I'd like to say that this will all be exposed as a complete fraud someday, but the only places you'll ever read about the truth is on Fox News, the mainstream media will go into overdrive, sending all evidence down the Memory Hole before they have a shot of Victory Gin.
     

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