Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Lerner, Oct 17, 2022.
This portion of your response called me poor in more ways than one.
Well, they want you to differentiate yourself from Harvard College, or Harvard Business School, or any of the dozen-odd other constituent schools within Harvard University.
I think if you attend Harvard Extension School you are just as much a "Harvard" student as someone at Kennedy, HBS, etc. I agree though, they want to differentiate you just like they want HBS grads to be differentiated.
If you attend a program, be proud of it.
I commented on this in depth on the sister forum. People did try to get the degrees changed to professional studies and that failed. We also tried to have our degrees just be called Liberal Arts but it would have been confused with the other degrees at one of the other Harvard schools. They each have unique naming suggestions, if Career Services is to be obeyed. Your Harvard experience is going to be what you make of it. This upcoming term I'm working as a faculty aide for a professor in the history department who taught at the College doing research on the future of higher education. Anyone can apply if they are enrolled but there is a rigorous interview process. That's just one of the many unique experiences you can get by going to Harvard Extension that you may not be able to at other universities, particularly at a distance. I wrote about that in depth, also, on the sister forum.
I think Harvard Extension School is awesome and I'm proud to go there. I proudly list Harvard Extension on my CV and LinkedIn page. I, by no means, ascribe to the idea that it is Harvard Lite, or this ArmaniExchange style rhetoric. It's a different school made for a different set of people. The coursework is difficult, the teachers are tough but engaging, and there are still serious networking opportunities. I'm happy to answer any questions if anyone has them.
Also, I really don't care that our degrees say Harvard Extension School- denying and being embarrassed about the affiliation and trying to pass it off as something else is what dilutes our brand more than anything else by certain bad actors. The problem is the degree additionally says Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies. We aren't hairdressers. It makes no sense. We just want our fields on the diplomas or terminology that makes sense.
I'm at the graduate level so our diplomas are given in Latin anyway... so...
In case it's unknown, when one graduates from the extension school, they become
members of both the HEAA and the Harvard Alumni Association (HAA).
To be clear- If you graduate from HES, you do graduate from Harvard University. Everyone who graduates from a degree program at Harvard, whether it's the College, HBS, HKS, etc. graduates from Harvard University. However, its standard procedure to also include the specific school within the University one graduates from. It is perfectly acceptable to write on one's CV- Harvard University, Harvard Extension School, Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies, Field: English and so on.
I've been lurking on this forum for several years. I'm in Beijing and work as an educator. I hope to continue to teach English. Since I'm combining this degree with research experience while working full time, and also have a MBA, I hope to show employers I can crunch numbers and be eloquent and creative at the same time. It's all about selling yourself. If all else fails, I did like 50 certificate programs and have a few certifications, so it's all good. I'm at the point in my life now where I study what I enjoy.
That is funny! I now hold an advanced degree in Nursing and still can’t lactate.
Here are my transcripts with the transcript key. This is the full series of attachments I included on DegreeForum. Please send any questions my way if you have them!
Here the achievement of a friends wife.
In my opinion, much more prestigious than the former Kaplan University!
This may be the most misunderstood poem in all of history, but I think you've got it down pat if the point you're making is the one I think you are. In reality, there are many paths (schools, degrees, etc.) we can take to get to the same destination, and there are many destinations that can bring us the same level of wonder and joy. What really matters, often enough, is not which path we take, but rather...
... how we choose to tell our story.
So go to this school, go to that school, go anywhere you like. It's all in how you sell yourself.
I think we might need a Harvard Extension thread.
That's an awesome interpretation of the poem! Everyone takes this poem very seriously, and that's within their right to do so, but it was intended to be an inside joke. I actually wrote my entire Harvard final paper for one of my poetry classes on it.
He wrote it for his friend Edward Thomas, a man who was a pacifist and poet and had a wife and kids. Frost and Thomas were very close and often went hiking together and Thomas was not only indecisive over where he'd like to hike, but Thomas was struggling with whether or not he should go to war for his country at that time in WWI. Our decisions are what we make of them, and in hindsight the roads we choose become clear. I do recall, however, that the setting of telling this story was Frost at a dinner party talking about his life and choices, laughing with friends. He joked, both roads, while one looked different, were part of the same path and ultimately led to the same place. It's like going to the park. You can take any hiking path whether it's well used or slightly worn off. Either way, you're going end back up at the entrance as designed.
Originally meant to comfort Thomas and let him know we give our own choices meaning, no matter what we choose, when Frost sent it to him, Thomas took it very seriously and started to shame spiral. It inspired him to go to war. He was sent to France, where he died two months later. He (Frost) should have sent some immediate clarifying statements about the poem before he sent it off. It's unclear if Frost ever forgave himself, as he appears to have blamed himself for what Thomas ultimately did. He was always shocked that people took the poem seriously.
I think what he's saying is depending on your end goal, only you know whether one school or another will give you a benefit, but more often than not the choices we consider lead us to the same conclusion. There is some merit in that right- an undergraduate degree from most institutions will get you the same ROI financially. The intangibles are harder to measure, but what's worse is making no decision at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if most people felt similarly. And yet, is there any good reason it should be?
Wow! I didn't know any of this. That's an awesome bit of poetic history. It's pretty close to how I've interpreted it for years, so I'm proud of that.
It sounds like you have a great grasp of Frost's intentions!!!
Should you be interested in further reading this article: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/29/robert-frost-edward-thomas-poetry is quite good and details their friendship and the poem's impact quite well. They both met when they were fledgling poets. Thomas had some issues with self-loathing and depression, sadly. Frost's life, too, was filled with great tragedy at different points of his life. Thomas himself had a wife and three kids- so to go from being a pacifist to going off to war and potentially leaving them behind really highlights the influence of the poem and Frost himself. That was still during the era where the husband is really the only income a family had, and surely his wife and children suffered after his demise, which is sad to think about.
Alpine did ask why I took so many poetry classes at HES. I love poetry and coincidentally, the Poetry in America series is actually very decently priced. Each 4 credit course is $1000 currently at both undergraduate or graduate level. Since 5 English based courses are required for graduation, paying $5000 total instead of $3100 each for the other alternatives was a no-brainer for me out of the total 12 required courses for graduation at the Master's level. Many other liberal arts fields accept Poetry in America courses for the two mandatory elective requirements for the degree programs. Also, I decided if my degree is going to be a Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies trying to go for a concentration such as Data Science or Cybersecurity or what have you, made no sense, and would be exhausting to explain to potential employers. Those are not liberal arts fields. That's another reason I'm in favor of a HES thread.
Poetry is great because it makes individuals not only think critically but think differently. My favorite poetry professor always said- take your first interpretation of any poem and throw it out. Then, start thinking more critically of the poem from a new perspective- now you are starting to understand the poet and the poem's meaning.
I love Frost- he explored adult themes in simplistic language. He takes the reader on journeys. His poems can be interpreted simply, and I think that's why Frost is always initially introduced to children in their early years of public school first, but I've always loved understanding the poets as people too, and if they were writing about specific events and people in their lives. They often were, so I will have my own interpretation based on nothing I know, and then compare and contrast with what I've learned of the poet. Often, a poem's meaning changes when I know more about the writer. It's really fun stuff!
You have straight As in your poetry classes, and it shows!
You're making me want to do an ALM from HES
Do it! HES is so worth it!!!!
I had thought of doing something through HES, in specific a graduate certificate. Are there on-campus components for graduate certificates or is that only degree programs?
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