Southern Bible Institute and Seminary Augusta, GA

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  1. Good advice.
     
  2. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    truth4today, is there a criminal case in McDuffie County? Yes, there is, period. It involved theft by conversion as I stated. Rather than face the prospect of being charged criminally, Ron paid $12,000.00 back and also presenting a lengthy contract for the victim to sign to keep the victim silent, of the which, the victim chose not to sign as the money had to be reported to DFACS as resources so as to not lose the victim's benefits. You cannot close a case if there is no case. As well, there is an open case still in Thomson regarding the theft of personal property and damges to rental property that Ron was being questioned concerning as was his wife. What led to the County being involved at all originated from the theft and unlawful entry. Feel free to call Al Reeves, the Investigator who had the face to face with Ron and he can remove any and all doubts you may have concerning how credible Ron is as opposed to the victim. It is tragic enough for RON to be responsible for one criminal activity; much less to be the only one to benefit from the theft and to be possibly responsible for more criminal activity~
     
  3. Jbrush, are you a member of the Board of Directors? When glancing at their site I noticed your name in two places. First on the first page as a student (here) and then second on the Board of Directors page (here)?
     
  4. I would "bet" 5 Monopoly dollars that it will happen in 48 hours. :)
     
  5. Is this or this the problem that you two are referring too?
     
  6. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    It is so simple. Before even the issue of accreditation comes into the picture, a school must be FIRST an approved legal school by Georgia's standards. Southern Bible Institute and Seminary (Augusta, GA) (Southern Bible Church and School, Inc) unless it ever files with the state of GA's Education Commission and becomes approved for religious exemption, it will continue to operate NOT as a legal, approved school. It will continue to operate in non compliance with the Georgia laws. If it ever is approved for religious exemption, there will still be strict limits on the degrees it can legally issue. It will not be permitted to issue degrees with the terms "Arts", "Philosophy", "Counseling" degrees in any form, "Psychology" in them among others as outlined in the Instructions for Applicants for Religious Exemption of GNPEC. It cannot present itself as a college/university because it is not fully authorized. If it continues to issue degrees and has no religious exemption status, it is violating Georgia law, unless of course, it wants to go through the fully authorized track. It is just that simple. I provided documentation for proof as I was asked to do. To the Administrator and Moderator, I hope that the proof was adequate. Thank you~
     
  7. Ian.stewart223

    Ian.stewart223 New Member

    I appreciate that this thread may be boring to the uninvolved, or those who have seen and heard it all before, but to me it is an education and a revelation. This issue surrounding SBIS impacts upon me and if it had not been for Thomson taking the time to investigate and having the courage to publish then I would have known nothing about this. In my previous employment I had to know the difference between facts, hearsay and opinion. Thomson has provided facts which I have verified with the appropriate authorities. I am not making a comment on the reasons why SBIS did not seek any official status, they may be well intentioned or not, the fact is that SBIS was not - and is not - either 'authorised' or 'exempt' and therefore cannot issue any form of degree. Thomson's reasons for publishing could be personal and could impact upon any opinions expressed but again this is not relevant to the discussion, I am only interested in verifiable facts. The behaviour of other establishments is also irrelevant, no matter what their pedigree or the people who associate with them. SBIS is not in compliance and that is at the heart of this matter.
    Thank you once again to Thomson for staying with this thread in the face of personal criticism. I needed to read all this and I will act appropriately on the 'facts' produced.
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Nicely done.
     
  9. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    Many thanks to you, Ian Stewart223...M-A-N-Y T-H-A-N-K-S TO YOU!!!!
     
  10. truth4today

    truth4today New Member

    I called McDufie county sheriffs department and quoted the case number that you listed, and was informed that there was indeed a case number 116998, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with Dr. Drawdy! it is amazing that you continue your attack quoting "facts", and we are suppose to believe you! McDuffie county must be another one of those liars, while you are to be believed without question. it would appear to me as it should to all who read your vicious attacks on a 21 year old seminary and a Pastor whose ministry has been embraced by the congregation of the second Baptist church in Thompson for well over twenty years. After reading all the attacks on the deacon board, the man, the school, and his family, i decided to do a little investigating on my own. For a start, for someone who is such a disgrace to the Christian academic world, i wonder why there is a letter from the Governor of the state of Georgia, commending him for the excellence of the Seminary hanging on the wall of his office? As for the Southern Baptist convention? I have not been able to find anything which would indicate they have ever claimed affiliation, yet it is a fact that the President of the Georgia Southern Babtist Convention has conducted two revivals in the Second Baptist Church and highly commeded Dr. Drawdy for the excellence of the Seminary.
    Whether Cliff Drawdy was ever incarcerated or not has no bearing on the discussion at hand or on his brother Ron. one of my brothers spent time in prison for attempted murder in a barroom brawl! does that make me an attempted murderer? I think not. I have no idea why thompson is so hellbent on destroying the reputation of a seminary and a Pastor, but i suspect that the deacon board she refers to were there to carry out the Biblical mandate to "Mark those who cause devisions among you and have no fellowship with them!" I have spoken to members of the Church where Dr. Drawdy's grandson is the Pastor, and it is thriving under his leadership! Thompsom has also sought to blacken his reputation along with his grandfather! Anyone who is gullible enough to swallow all this hogwash is probably of the same opinion as thompson; No school without accreditation is worthy of occupying planet earth and yet Bob Jones University was never accredited, and never desired acceditation until 2005 when they fanally applied, recieving full accreditation in 2011! it is not the accreditation that makes the difference, it is the quality of the education recieved! A fact which former president Ronald Reagan obviously agreed with, along with Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Dan Quale, Pat Buchanan and a host of others who spoke there while they were still one of those unworthy renegade schools with no accreditation! Should Dr. Drawdy have registered as an exempt school? Probably so, but who appointed thompson as the moderator or watchdog for the accreditation police? I would love to know where all this venom is coming from, and why we should believe her and not Dr. Drawdy, the Governor of the State of Georgia, J. Brush (former State of Georgia Legislator), the deacon board, the President of the Georgia Southern Baptist Convention? In spite of all the "facts," the Southern Baptist Seminary has evidently not missed a single step! I made the effort to speak to as many graduates as i could find, and not a single one of them had a derogatory comment to make about the school! In fact, every single one i spoke to agreed with JBrush and gave me glowing reports of the excellent teaching abilities of all the professors and especially Dr. Ron Drawdy. So rant on thompson, you will surely have some other naive souls as well as some reprobates who will gladly agree with you! I am still trying to find someone who can fill in the information about what you are hiding behind all these attacks and when i do, i will reveal it!
     
  11. truth4today

    truth4today New Member

    I personally called McDuffie County and there is a case number 116998, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with Dr. Drawdy or the Southern Baptist Seminary! After reading the never ending accusations and defamation of character that you have posted, I decided to do some investigation of my own. I found out some amazing facts which are slightly different to your "facts"! Evidently there is a letter from the Governor of the State of Georgia hanging on the wall of Dr. Drawdy's office commending him for an excellent school. As for your "facts" that they claimed affiliation to the Southern Baptist Convention, i have been unable to unearth anything which would indicate such a claim. However, i did discover that the President of the Georgia Baptist Association has conducted two Bible conferences in Second Baptist church, commending Dr. drawdy on the excellence of his seminary! You have included in your diatribe as many members of his family as possible, including his brother Cliff. In my family history, one of my brothers spent time in prison for attempted murder in a barroom brawl, but as far as I know, that doesn't make me a criminal simply because i still associate with my brother! I also made contact with as many former graduates from Southern Bible as i could find, and without exception they gave me glowing reports of the excellent teaching of the professors, and especially that of Dr. Drawdy. All of them agreed whole heartedly with JBrush's assessment of the school. should Dr. Drawdy have registered for state exemption? Maybe so, but is it about accreditation, or the quality of the curriculum? Former president Ronald Reagan, Phil Gramm, Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, Dan Quale and a hsot of others were not concerned about accreditation when they spoke at Bob Jones University! Bob Jones was never accredited until a great grandson of Bob Jones applied in 2005, and recieved accreditation in 2006, and became fully accrdeited in 2011! We are suppose to swallow all these "facts" from thompson, but doubt the word of the former governor of the state of Ga, J.Brush (a former legislator of the State of Ga) numerous former students who highly recommends Southern Bible Seminary, Dr. Drawdy, his grandson Jarrod Drawdy, the deacons of the church, the president of the Georgia Southern Babtist association, yet believe thompson? Anyone can make an accusation, especially on the internet where gullibility abounds! The anti-religeous are more than likely cheering thompson on!
    There has to be a reason for all this hatred which thompson continues to spout, and I have decided to try my best to find the root cause, when i do, i will gladly post it!
    There must be a s
     
  12. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    Southern Bible Institute and Seminary Augusta, Georgia was not-and is not-a authorised school and was not-is not approved for religious exemption, period and therefore has never been granted authorization from the state of Georgia to issue degrees of any kind, period. Southern Bible Institute and Seminary Augusta, Georgia has operated in non compliance continuously and the state of Georgia's Education Commission has never deemed it a legal, approved school. Southern Bible Seminary Thomson Ga aka Southern Bible Institute and Seminary, Augusta, GA has never been a legal, approved institution. It is Georgia LAW that proves that Southern Bible Institute and Seminary has never been authorized by THIS state, THIS STATE! to issue DEGREES OF ANY SORT, PERIOD.

    Bob Jones University is in South Carolina, not Georgia. Since JBrush served on a GEORGIA education commitee, one can only wonder why he did not advise Ronald Drawdy to lay the solid, legal foundation for Southern Bible Institute and Seminary to be a legal, approved school. It seems you have not yet understood that what is being addressed here is that Southern Bible Institute and Seminary was never granted the legal right to issue ANY degrees at all, without exception. The quality being addressed here is that the school had no legal right to issue any degrees without exception!

    Southern Bible Institute and Seminary has always issued degrees and still is. According to its catlogs the type of degrees advertised could have only been legally issued by a fully authorised school and Southern Bible Institute and Seminary has never been a fully authorized school, ever. You have your needle stuck on accreditation legitimacy. My needle is STUCK on the irrefutable fact that Southern Bible Institute and Seminary is not/has never been a legal approved school as it has never had authorization granted by the state of Georgia. (They say repetition helps one to learn. I am hopeful for truth4you to grasp the relevant issue here and so I patiently repeat the facts). AND AND
    Southern Bible Institute and Seminary also has never been approved for religious exemption. Religious exemption approval by Georgia is the foundation upon which the school should have been founded. Instead, the school has no legal foundation at all! There has never been any legal authority for Southern Bible Institute and Seminary to operate in this great state of Georgia! ALL DEGREES ISSUED BY SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY WERE ISSUED FRAUDULENTLY!


    The credibility of NAAPS and NAACS was being addressed and is the reason for Cliff Drawdy's credibility being mentioned, especially since Cliff was Chairman of the Board of Academic Affairs for Southern Bible Institute and Seminary and handled its records for a period of time. From your own post, you have stated "21" years which is contradictory to public records and even the school's catalog. Part of me wonders if TRUTH4TODAY might be JBRUSH.

    If you stand by your lead off sentence in your last 2 posts, you are bare faced lying! Evidence to support this fact~

    McDuffie County Sheriff's Department Receipt For Property (Receipt #3979) Case #11698NAME OF PERSON FROM WHOM PROPERTY WAS OBTAINED Ronald Drawdy
    LOCATION WHERE PROPERTY WAS OBTAINED McDuffie County LEC Thomson, GA Date:6/`4/11 Time:1:54 p.m.
    Name and Badge Number of Agent Obtaining Poperty Al Reeves 5
    CHAIN OF CUSTODY ITEMS A,B,C, RELINQUISHED BY: Ron Drawdy ("Ron Drawdy" was the signature of Ron made by his own hand on this document on this line)
    A 1 cashier's Check # 5004871587 amount $5,000 made payable to *
    B 1 cashier's Check # 5004871588 amount $5,000 made payable to *
    C 1 cashier's Check # 5004871586 amount $2,000 made payable to *

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    Truth can be difficult to accept. It is still truth. It is factual. It is not about accreditation nor quality of curriculum, nor the charisma of Ronald Drawdy or the dropping of names that will make Southern Bible Institute and Seminary legitimate. Only the following of the all the laws of the state of Georgia outlined by the Georgia Non Public Postsecondary Education Commission will allow Southern Bible Institute and Seminary to be credible, to be authorised, to be a legal, approved school. Even today, with students still attending, going for degrees it is violating all the laws governing its foundation and behavior. ONCE MORE~

    ALL DEGREES EVER ISSUED BY SOUTHERN BIBLE SEMINARY, THOMSON, GA (AS WELL AS ITS EXTENSIONS) WERE NOT LEGALLY ISSUED.
    ALL DEGREES EVER ISSUED BY SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY AUGUSTA, GA (AND ITS EXTENSIONS) WERE NOT LEGALLY ISSUED.
    SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY, SBISEVANS IS NOT RELIGIOUS EXEMPT, EITHER
    . THEIR ON-LINE APPLICATION DID INCLUDE DEGREES (I AM SURE THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS SOON AS THIS REPLY IS POSTED).

    If any one else has some legitimate questions, I will reply. Truth4today and JBrush, you both were granted couteous replies. You need to stay focused on the facts. You need to focus on Georgia law requirements. Then, you need to focus on the fact that Southern Bible Institute and Seminary has intentionally, defiantly never complied with any of them at all and has brazenly cheated innumerable people world wide out of a legitimate degree!
     
  13. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    On the case # a "9" was overlooked inadvertedly..it is case #116998
     
  14. truth4today

    truth4today New Member

    Rant on! thompson, being legal is not really your concern, destroying Pastor Ron Drawdy is! Why not just admit it! For that matter, who made you the public watchdog? If Bob Jones University was in Ga, are you saying you would have worked overtime digging up the "truth about them? I have given you a host of people that all have far more credibility than you, but we are suppose to all bow down to your superior knowledge about the law, degrees, accrediting agencies, and just about everything else on the planet! the truth is that you have a vendetta against the drawdy family, you know it and so does all the people who read your "truths"! If those cashiers checks were given by you, or is it seem friend of yours? Why were they given? Are you saying you were stupid then but smart now? You simply enjoy the attention and the chance to argue. I think I gave you this advice once, Why don't you get a life! I would bet money that you have no friends and nothing else to occupy your time! May God Bless Dr. Drawdy and his grandson and keep them strong.
     
  15. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    THE GEORGIA NONPUBLIC POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION COMMISSION CONFIRMED THAT SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY WAS NOT AND IS NOT AN AUTHORIZED SCHOOL. THE GEORGIA NONPUBLIC POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION COMMISSION CONFIRMED THAT SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY WAS NOT-IS NOT RELIGIOUS EXEMPT AND EVEN IF IT WERE RELIGIOUS EXEMPT, IT COULD NOT ISSUE PH.D.S, AMONG MANY OTHERS. GNPEC ALSO CONFIRMS THAT SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY HAS NEVER BEEN AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE DEGREES OF ANY KIND. INSTEAD OF CONTINUALLY ATTACKING MY CREDIBILITY-ADDRESS THE CREDIBILITY OF GNPEC AND THE STATE OF GEORGIA ITSELF.

    HOW ABOUT YOUR CREDIBILITY~WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED HAS BEEN ANSWERED WITH OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS AND CATALOGS THAT THE SCHOOL ISSUED. EVERY THING YOU HAVE SPEWED OUT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED EVEN GIVING SOLID PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT TELLING ANY TRUTH FOR TODAY. YOU RANTED THAT MCDUFFIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPT INFORMED YOU THAT THERE INDEED WAS A CASE 116998 BUT RON DRAWDY HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THAT CASE. YOU WERE BRAZENLY DECEPTIVE! IRREFUTABLE PRROF WAS PROVIDED THAT RONALD DRAWDY WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT CASE 116998 INVOLVED AND YOU JUST JUMP TO SOMETHING ELSE. RONALD DRAWDY HIMSELF IS THE ONE WHO SET THIS WHOLE THING IN MOTION BY HIS ACTIONS ALONE. ONE CANNOT, UNLESS ONE IS COMPLICIT IN IT, REMAIN SILENT AND WATCH ANYONE ELSE BE DEFRAUDED OUT OF THEIR MONEY AND BE ISSUED FRAUDULENT DEGREES. ARE YOU COMPLICIT IN IT YOURSELF; IS THAT WHY YOU ARE SCRAMBLING SO HARD TO FIND SOMETHING-ANYTHING-TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY COMMITTING CRIMINAL ACTS? YOU DO NOT SPREAD THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD VIA LIES, FRAUD, AND CRIMINAL ACRIVITY.
    ROMANS 13:1 LET EVERY SOUL BE SUBJECT UNTO THE HIGHER POWERS. FOR THERE IS NO POWER BUT OF GOD. FOR THE POWERS THAT BE ARE ORDAINED OF GOD. WHOSOEVER RESISTETH THE POWER, RESISTETH THE ORDINANCE OF GOD AND THEY THAT RESIST SHALL RECEIVE TO THEMSELVES DAMNATION.
    The state of Georgia made provisions for schools to be religious exempt if they chose to not go the fully authorized route. Ronald Earl Drawdy made the decision, not once, but repeatedly every moment of every day, for years, to defy the laws of the state of Georgia to seek religious exemption. It was not that it violated his conscience. It was that he knew if he did so, the degrees he issued would be shown to not be legitimate college level degrees. In seeking religious exemption status, he knew that then all the money he put in his pocket wrongly would no longer be coming. He has a family member claiming a secondary education degree from SBIS (A COLLEGE LEVEL DEGREE) before there ever was a SBIS and that family member and his wife use those credentials to have a job as a principal and teacher in an academy. *SBIS, even if religious exempt would have no authorization to issue those degrees as it is not a fully authorized school, it is not an university or college (although advertises as such). They left the one they were at in SC and now are in FL. The public is not protected by covering up the deeds. It is protected by being made aware of the wrong doings. Ron knows that many staff members of Jacksonville Theological Seminary have posted in JTS catalog "college level credentials earned" from SBIS that are not worth the paper they were printed on. The public has every right to be advised that it will be in their best interest financially and academically to steer way clear of Southern Bible Institute and Seminary so as to not lose money on bogus degrees being issued by a facility whose standing in this state is and has been NON COMPLIANT, and NOT A LEGAL APPROVED INSTITUTION. YOU SO WANT TO POINT A FINGER. POINT ALL FINGERS AT RONALD DRAWDY AS HE IS THE ONE THAT COMMITTED CRIMES, NO ONE ELSE DID IT FOR HIM... OR TO HIM-HE KNOWINGLY DID IT TO HIMSELF! RONALD DRAWDY IS COMPLETELY GUILTY AS CHARGED. YOU ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO CREATE A SMOKE SCREEN. THE FIRE WAS STARTED BY RONALD DRAWDY HIMSELF THAT THE SMOKE COMES FROM~ [/B]BTW, I BEGGED HIM TO STOP DOING ALL OF THIS. I BEGGED HIM REPEATEDLY AND RESPECTFULLY TO HIS FACE. I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS NOT IN ME TO LIE TO HIM, FOR HIM, OR ABOUT HIM. IT FEEL ON DEAF EARS. I TOLD HIM THAT I COULD NOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE BE SILENT LIKE HE WANTED ME TO! I DID ALL I COULD DO TO NOT MAKE THIS PUBLIC, HE MADE HIS DECISION THAT MADE MY NEXT DECISION FOR ME...WHICH WAS, IS AND WILL BE TO WARN THE PUBLIC!
     
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  16. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

     
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  17. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    And I thought my feuds with LaMarca on Degreeboard were fierce...
     
  18. This is ugly. I feel it's one of those "mommy hit daddy" moments. o_O
     
  19. Let's accept a couple of things.

    Truth4today...Yes, thomson's motive may be personal, HOWEVER that doesn't make it untruthful. From the looks of things (even from their website) it appears that the statement she/he has made has some(maybe not all) merit to it.

    Thomson,ga...your beating a dead horse. I believe we ALL get the point. The school is not legally authorized in GA. At some point in a "conversation" you lose impact in what your saying by continuing to restate your point. You put out your evidence. Let it speak for itself and let the rest go.
     
  20. thomson ga

    thomson ga Member

    Just did a search on Southern Bible Institute and Seminary using the dogpile search engine, With the heading
    Click Here For Schedule-Wellspring Church of All Nations
    found exclusively on Google
    schedule
    Jume 6, 2012...Logos Bible College in Jacksonville, FL...the Southern Bible Institute and Seminary in Augusta, GA

    clicked on it, then scrolled to
    Wellspring Bible Institute
    Available Correspondece on Internet
    for more information on Wellspring Bible Institute
    click here

    clicked it and then
    scrolled to the near end of the page of Wellspring Bible Institute to see this
    undergraduate and graduate work through Ph.D.
    articulation agreement with Logos Christian College and Seminary Jacksonville FL
    EXTENSION OF SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE & SEMINARY AUGUSTA GA (SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION)
    WITH A LOGO OF SBIS UNDERNEATH THOSE WORDS


    THIS IS IS WHY I KEEP ON BECAUSE THE FRAUD IS STILL ACTIVE AND PEOPLE ARE BEING CHEATED OUT OF THEIR MONEY FOR A WORTHLESS DEGREE FROM SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY. EVEN IF RELIGIOUS EXEMPT, IT IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE COLLEGE LEVEL DEGREES AND CURRENTLY SBIS AUGUSTA IS NOT TO ISSUE ANY DEGREES AT ALL AS IT IS NOT A LEGAL APPROVED SCHOOL IN GA. WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO KNOW THIS IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING A DEGREE FROM SOUTHERN BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SEMINARY AUGUSTA GA?
     

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