Simon's Challenge

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  1. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    From the Capella University Loan Probe thread:

    Actually, as Simon is well know for his twisting of the facts, my accusation was that he inexplicably engages in ad hominem, red herring attacks against other posters, ignoring the content of their contributions to instead attribute the very belligerent behaviors HE perpetrates to others.

    I seriously was not going to succumb to his petty baiting again but as he simply cannot be convinced to back off --

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?p=225679#post225679
    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?p=223156#post223156http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?p=222214#post222214
    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?p=217356#post217356
    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?p=214137#post214137

    .. are but a few examples of this behavior from back in 2005 when he apparently joined the community.

    Simon tends to be very dismissive of those holding doctorates who do not adhere to his personal standards of discourse. I, therefore, found it very peculiar to read in his early posts the insinuation that he at least attended doctoral level courses if not earned a doctorate himself.

    And let us not forget that he seems to hate people who choose to use a pseudonym, yet has never fully identified himself.

    I am not going to waste any more of my time stooping to his challenge or defending myself from the guaranteeed vemonous response.

    Vox populi time ...
     
  2. simon

    simon New Member

    PsychPhD: From the Capella University Loan Probe thread:

    Actually, as Simon is well know for his twisting of the facts, my accusation was that he inexplicably engages in ad hominem, red herring attacks against other posters, ignoring the content of their contributions to instead attribute the very belligerent behaviors HE perpetrates to others.

    SIMON: The "honest" doctor states that "my accusation was that he (Carl) inexplicably engages in ad hominem, red herring attacks against other posters, twisting of the facts, etc". He then presents a number of diffuse threads that purport to support his contentions but actually are merely his attempt to distract from the original issue. In fact he alleged that I was attacking his alma mater, Capella. In his exact words, "Why are you so instanteously insensed the moment anyone says anything remotely supportive of Capella"?

    In support of my contention that PsychPhD's credibility and veracity is questionable is the following recent thread where I clearly support PsychPhD's distance online doctorate in Psychology and the school he attended, Capella, from vicious attacks by another poster and PsychPhD actually acknowledges my supportive ideas and positions!

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=26548&highlight=levicoff

    Now lets get back to PsychPhDs initial spurious claims. The following thread is a poignant example of the good doctor initiating and sustaining the very negative behaviors that he ascribes on me. In this thread, he initiates an unprovoked, hostile, petty, obsessive attack on a professor from an unaccredited school for using a (c)-candidate) next to his doctorate resulting in altercations, ad hominem and red herring attacks as well as "ignoring the content of their (posters) contributions" with those who disagreed with his pompous, out of touch style of relating to others.

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=25664&highlight=PsychPh

    PsychPhD: Simon tends to be very dismissive of those holding doctorates who do not adhere to his personal standards of discourse.

    SIMON: Not at all, just individuals who make spurious statements that are not supported by facts and who hide behind their anonymity believing that ethics are irrelevant within the context of a faceless cyberspace forum!

    PsychphD: And let us not forget that he seems to hate people who choose to use a pseudonym, yet has never fully identified himself.

    SIMON: "Hate People who....."? Another projection. I don't hate anyone but PsychPhD is revealing once again who he is and quite frankly it is not anyone you would want as a friend let alone an acquantence or business partner!

    PsychPhd: I am not going to waste any more of my time stooping to his challenge or defending myself from the guaranteeed vemonous response.

    SIMON: However, you have failed to demonstrate the veracity of your original contention that I am against your alma mater or for that matter any other distance online university. The only issue that you have proved is that you display the very negative behaviors and traits that you have ascribed to me. What a sham!
     
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  3. Amigo

    Amigo New Member


    This...This Simon guy is so funny!! He cracks me up!
     
  4. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    I'd agree but ...

    I'd agree about the humor, if his debating "style" weren't so detrimental and harmful.

    Jon Stewart highlighted how Nancy Grace used the exact same tactics when "discussing" the Duke lacrosse rape case:

    http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?lnk=v&ml_video=85250

    Far too many people believe this drivel because it sounds plausible, or at minimum, supports their preconceived notiions.

    True critical thinking and reasonable discussion/debate is sadly all too rare in American discourse.
     
  5. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    I laughed at the video because it WAS funny, but also very true. There is a rush to judgement too many times in our society today.
     
  6. simon

    simon New Member


    PsychPhd is getting desperate! He quotes AMIGO, a poster who has contributed absolutely nothing to this forum but a "hey yo" mentality! What a joke, both of them. Imagine this PsychPhd claims to have a doctorate in CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY. Think about it a moment. It is as laughable as the awarding of the nobel peace prize to Yassar Arafat!
     
  7. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Funny, but frightening nonetheless

    CR, I agree completely that Stewart's presentation was hilarious because it so absolutely laid bare the stunning extremes of Nancy Grace's lack of intellectual rigor, rhetorical consistency, and moral integrity.

    However, I believe what gave Stewart's take its humorous foundation was the ability to present Grace's various statements in montage form. (Stewart, Colbert, et al use of the technique make compelling arguments for the inconsistencies of so many public figures.)

    Where my concern remains, however, is that most people do not see these purveyors of bombastic ignorance in this "condensed" form. This is why Grace, Simon, et al are so dangerous. They can seem to be making valid points when taken in isolation. It is only when you compile their various statements and compare them against themselves that the illogic becomes readily apparent.
     
  8. simon

    simon New Member

    PsychPhD: Where my concern remains, however, is that most people do not see these purveyors of bombastic ignorance in this "condensed" form. This is why Grace, Simon, et al are so dangerous. They can seem to be making valid points when taken in isolation. It is only when you compile their various statements and compare them against themselves that the illogic becomes readily apparent.[/QUOTE]

    SIMON: PsychPhd is once again ascribing his characteristics onto another poster! This is the way a poster who claims to possess a doctorate in CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY comports himself with such petty and vindictive statements? And I'm "dangerous"? The only one who has a "weapon" in this case is PsychPhd because G_D help us this poster claims to have a Ph.D in Psychology, not accounting, but is conducting himself as if a member of the Soprano mob family getting involved in altercations and seeking vendettas on this forum rather than attempting to deescalate them!

    BTW, it is very significant that PsychPhd has never acknowledged the FACT that I supported doctoral degrees in Psychology from Capella against vicious attacks from another poster. Nor does he acknowledge the fact of his obsessive and petty attack on a "faculty" member of an unaccredited school was without any provocation whatsoever. This is the way a poster who claims to have a doctoral degree in CLINCICAL PSYCHOLOGY conducts himself?

    In addition, he again uses projection when he notes "and let us not forget that he (Simon) seems to hate people who choose to use a pseudonym, yet he has not identified himself". In fact, PsychPhD does not identify himself ONLY his alleged degree and the school he claims to have received it from. This does not constitute revealing one's identity because his rationale for revealing his alleged degrees is to show his superiority and to gain power over other posters. No more, no less.

    And let us not forget PsychPhd's last comment in his next to last post indicating "I am not going to waste any more of my time stooping to his (Simon) challenges or defending myself from his guaranteed venomous response". As is perfectly clear, PsychPhd continues to respond to my posts because he is cognizant that I have a clear understanding of his get-over, manipulative behaviors and hold him accountable for it. Watch he will respond and again attempting to make his case and disproving my perceptions. In fact, I do not believe that this poster has a doctorate in CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY because it is hard to conceive that a person who displays the level of combative, petty, obsessive, condescending and pompous attitude that this poster has displayed can possess such a degree. If in fact he does, in my opinion it raises a serious question as to the personal criteria for admission into doctoral programs in Psychology at distance learning schools as well as their standards for professional conduct and behavior required for graduation.
     
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  9. novemberdude

    novemberdude New Member

    This has gotten ridiculous and adds nothing that I can see to the discussion of distance education.

    I respectfully suggest that this thread be locked and/or deleted, or at the very least that the posters involved show the maturity to walk away.
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Damn, this is interesting watching you two psychologize each other!
     
  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Nah, I say leave it open and watch how it pans out! Maybe others will jump in and join the fun (i.e., the psychologizing).
     
  12. simon

    simon New Member

    Ted, what is really interesting (I mean hilarious) is PsychPhd's new alliance with AMIGO, a "Legend in his own Mind", who will be best remembered for his comment that I culled from one of his posts as follows " Take it easy bro. Life is too short!"

    I'll tell you Ted that statement was so deep, intense and meaningful it has changed my life forever. And this Ted is the poster that PsychPhd uses to support his contentious projections onto me. What a joke! Regards, Simon.
     
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  13. novemberdude

    novemberdude New Member

    I should tell my wife to sign up, she and I could analyze each other while you guys egg us on. It would be better than therapy (and probably a lot more fun to read that this).

    Incidentally Ted, I can tell by the way you dot your i's that you have some issues. Just thought I'd mention that. (Uh, that was a joke, Bruce don't ban me, my life would be empty without Degreeinfo).
     
  14. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Sorry, what?

    It is quite disappointing that you would declare that advocating for maintenance of a level of critical thinking and denouncing the ad hominem "kill the messenger, ignore the message" tactics of some is not a worthwhile goal.

    I can tell you from personal experience it is people who employ such lazy logic that perpetuate negative stereotypes and uninformed dismissals of distance education. If we, as a community of people interested in positive, legitimate distance learning programs, are not willing to step up and denounce those amongst us who belittle the discussions with such tactics, then we deserve to be splattered by misinformation.

    It is sad that people are characterizing this exchange as "psychologicalizing" ignoring Simon's penchant for prooftexting ("I said something positive once and that is being ignored.")

    But you are right -- this has gotten ridculous and I have no desire to waste my time further. People here seem more interested in watching these forums devolve into the cyber equivalent of WWE "wrestling" rather than a valuable resource for forwarding legitmate distance education.
     
  15. Amigo

    Amigo New Member

    It's spelled "YassEr".
     
  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I am a relatively new member to this board and so I'm sure that there's history here that I don't know about. Despite that, I can say that this is a gratuitous and nasty condemnation of the entire board membership, most of whom have the good sense to stay out of such adolescent squabbles. I don't think that there is anything about this thread (that YOU started) that adds to this board as a "resource for forwarding legitimate distance education." When you make a statement such as the one above, you insult a lot of people. You do yourself a disservice by saying such things.
     
  17. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    You can't insult those who refuse to be counted

    They came first for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.

    ~ Martin Niemuller

    Thou shalt not stand idly by.
    ~ Leviticus 19:16

    Sorry Kizmet, I think your observation would have more weight if:
    1) you didn't acknowledge ignorance of the history of the situation; and
    2) you weren't defending the honor of those who refuse to take a stand.

    It is precisely because people do not take a stand that those that rely on false claims, illogic, and ad hominem attacks flourish. Let us not pretend that civility is more important that integrity.
     
  18. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    And so an anonymous Don Quixote takes an historical stand against an anonymous windmill, on the internet. The world holds its collective breath during this epic struggle between good and evil. Will we live to see another day? We can only hope that PsychMan will prevail!!!! Please save us!!!

    It's like watching two kids playing cowboys and indians. Despite your quotations suggesting lofty motives, there's nothing hanging in the balance except your precious male egos.
     
  19. simon

    simon New Member

    PsychPhd: But you are right -- this has gotten ridculous and I have no desire to waste my time further. People here seem more interested in watching these forums devolve into the cyber equivalent of WWE "wrestling" rather than a valuable resource for forwarding legitmate distance education.[/QUOTE]

    SIMON: Once again, for the hundreth time, PsychPhd asserts "...this has gotten ridculous and I have no desire to waste any time further". However, PsychPhd continues to engage in, perpetuate and flame these interactions because he knows that I am correct in my perceptions resulting in his need to strike out and DEFEND himself!

    But it gets better! He alledges that "People here (of course not including PsychPhd) seem more interested in watching these forums devolve into the cyber equivalent of WWE "wrestling" rather than a valuable rsource for forwarding legitmate distance education". However, PsychPhd is once again PROJECTING his need to participate in these flame wars onto other posters! These threads enable him to meet his needs of proving his self-worth and his belief as to how articulate he is; to lecture a captive audience of posters who he believes are engrossed with his brilliance (although left unsaid, he feels that ONLY he can engage in critical thinking); and an overwhelming sense of self-importance believing that ALL posters will be enthralled with his soliloquies that he terms "Critical thinking" ! And this guy is worried about an innocuous article that mentioned the illicit behavior of one of Capella's staff without one iota of understanding that the manner in which he is coming across as a graduate of Capella is a far more serious reflection on his alma mater! Oh brother!
     
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  20. simon

    simon New Member

    PLEASE NOTE THE ABOVE ranting pontifications! It reinforces the points I have been addressing all along. The overblown sense of self-importance and grandiosity, the belief that these threads are SO important and significant resulting in his comparing his belief in his martyr role with confronting evil ON THIS DISTANCE EDUCATION FORUM with individuals in the real world who were confronted by the tyranny and brutality of Nazis and Communists and the condensension and contempt he holds towards all posters as evidenced in his response to Kizmet. And this guy claims to be a CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST!
     
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