Discussion in 'Education, Teaching and related degrees' started by Docere, Aug 26, 2013.
The education profession is controlled by the individual states. We wouldn't want to centralize control of it, would we?
Let's add degree creep to another career field.
And what degree title do you have in mind for this first professional degree in education? The title of Doctor of Education is already taken.
Master of Arts in Teaching, I suppose. But I don't think this solves anything that's ailing K-12 education.
Master of Arts in Teaching a degree title for a proposed first professional degree in education? Most first-professional degrees carry the doctoral title and require three years of study for a full-time program. The only first-professional degree that carries a master's title, so far as I know, is the Master of Divinity. Furthermore, the Master of Arts in Teaching, as it now exists, requires a mere one year of studies.
And why not?
Good point! So-called first professional degrees are at least 3 years beyond the baccalaureate. Not sure what happens if the proposals to shorten law schools to 2 years are adopted.
A 2-year JD?
Reduce the degree title to MJ?
Bring back the old LLB?
Librarians seem satisfied with "only" a masters.
And how many years of study are required for a Master of Library and Information Science degree?
2 years. There was no expansion to 3 years to get a "doctorate" as is the case in several other professions. Hence, if the 2-year law degree proposals go through (and it probably won't)...
... the MJ degree
Without digging deep into it, centralizing control of it at the Federal level appears to go against the 10th Amendment.
Wait, are you suggesting the federal government only do the things it's authorized to do by the Constitution? That would be anarchy! #sarcasm
I'm not convinced that the individual states are doing any better than what the feds could do.
But you can have uniform standards without imposing Federal control on the states. It's possible (though not necessarily easy) for all 50+ states and territories to agree to a common standard.
And this is actually not unusual in licensed professions. This is why an ABA-approved JD degree, from any state, automatically qualifies for the bar exam in every other state. It's why an ABET-accredited engineering BS, from any state, automatically qualifies for the Professional Engineer exam in every other state. These degrees "work" nationwide, and it's not because the Federal government dictated a common standard to the states. Instead, the states reached mutual agreement among themselves.
The states aren't perfectly consistent as far as these examples go. For example, some states may also accept non-ABA law degrees or non-ABET engineering degrees under some circumstances, while others may not. But nonetheless, there is a clear uniform standard that is known to be acceptable nationwide. And practicing attorneys and professional engineers are grateful for it.
The first professional degree is still the bachelor's in some fields.
For example, the B.S. is still considered the first professional degree in engineering.
And the B.Arch. is considered the first professional degree in architecture (although this is typically a 5-year bachelor's).
If you have a properly accredited bachelor's degree in engineering or architecture, you are eligible to start working professionally, and you have met all of the educational requirements needed for professional licensure. It's not particularly unusual for practicing engineers or architects to lack graduate degrees.
In fact, the first professional degree in nursing is the associate's degree. You can work professionally and pursue licensure with an ADN.
So in theory, there could be a uniform first professional degree for teachers, and:
(1) it wouldn't necessarily have to be a graduate degree; it could be a bachelor's, and
(2) it wouldn't necessarily have to be centrally imposed by the federal government; the states themselves could agree on a common standard.
But I don't know if these points are realistic in practice.
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