Schumer's speech

Here's an opinion piece I like. It says that Netanyahu and his hard right wing extremists are endangering Israel's long term well being by causing more of the world, especially Palestinians, to hate Israel and think poorly of them. The current path Israel is on will only lead to more war. The only stable long term solution is a two state solution and the horrible Netanyahu government is only interested in war and some kind of an apartheid solution (if not genocide) which will surely fail.

Opinion: Netanyahu and his extremist allies are endangering Israel’s long-term security
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/opinions/netanyahu-israel-extremist-allies-government-gaza-davis/index.html

 

For Israelis, the talk about a two-state solution now sounds tone-deaf and a reward for terrorism.
Public disagreement still exists between Biden and the progressive wing of his party. To some progressives, news of a limiting of supplies to Israel was welcome but insufficient; they want the Democratic Party to rethink its relationship fundamentally with Israel. Their opposing of Bibi by Progressives is due to his embrace of the American right wing in recent years. For President Biden and the party the elections and need for votes, especially in states like Michgan are serious consideration and actions taken to please the pro paletinian wave.
Netanyahu has insisted that when it comes to the war, he is pursuing policies supported by a substantial majority of Israelis.
According to polls, he’s right. On the main points of contention between President Biden and PM Netanyahu when it comes to the war, most Israelis support their prime minister’s policies over the U.S. president’s. Even if the majority of Israelis think elections should be held sooner than later and don't agree with the methods, the way issues are run.
Now President Biden and Netanyahu disagree over two main issues.
One is whether Israel should invade Rafah, the city in southern Gaza that is crowded with refugees, but that Netanyahu says Israel must enter in order to defeat Hamas.
The other is over a longstanding divide between Netanyahu and Democratic presidents: whether Israel should agree to the establishment of a Palestinian state.

On both questions, Israelis agree with Netanyahu: A poll ran by the Israel Democracy Institute shows that nearly two-thirds of Israelis say Israel should “expand its military operations into Rafah. Another pole by IDI found, by the same token, that 55% of Israelis oppose Palestinian statehood, compared to 37% who support it.

 

A group of 26 House Democrats are pushing back on President Biden’s decision this week to halt the sending of heavy bombs to Israel amid fears of an Israeli invasion into Rafah, which is home to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced amid the war in Gaza.

“We are deeply concerned about the message the Administration is sending to Hamas and other Iranian-backed terrorist proxies by withholding weapons shipments to Israel, during a critical moment in the negotiations,” reads the letter, which is addressed to White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-democrats-push-back-israel-192659631.html

 

Regarding the two state solution, unfortunately there is no other long term stable solution unless one wants to argue apartheid or genocide can be solutions. Perhaps a two state solution is decades away if we started working towards it today but, this mess in Gaza is just pushing it even further away. What other long term solution do you think there is besides a two state solution?

The way that Netanyahu is currently trying to kill Hamas will just create many more future terrorist fighters, because he's killing many civilians along with the terrorists. The real solution is to win over the Palestinian people and let them get rid of the terrorists from within their own ranks. It is really just simple logic. A real leader of Israel should put Israel on a long term path towards peace and prosperity. Netanyahu is no such leader.

 

Today I strongly oppose to any additional state to Arabs that invented to be some separate people by PLO in the 1960s. The land Israel took from Jordan not from non existant country, some call Palestine a Roman given name to the land of Israel.
They can become law abiding Israelis.
That's my take.
No hostile Arab state on expance of small Israel.
Selfgovern should be given to local leaders, who hate PA and see Abbas as someone who steals their funds and resources.

 

If the West Bank and Gaza could vote in Israel then wouldn't the government of Israel become Moslem?

You didn't directly address the core of my post. What other long term solution is there besides a two state solution, genocide or apartheid? It seems that your argument about the name Palestinians is arguing for genocide but just arguing that it wouldn't actually be genocide. You've seemed to tangentially argue that in the past. If that's the solution you think is best then you should just make it clear. I know Netanyahu and especially others in his government argue for that.

 

I would tend to offer 7 Emmerittes.
The territory of the British Mandate included land on both sides of the Jordan River, encompassing the present-day countries of Israel and Jordan.
Give chance to each state of the emerites.
Hebron for example.
That's is one way to address this situation.
Gaza, is another question, we need to see how the war ends. Will take chunk of the land and build Israeli settlements?
Or some international body to control it?
Eventually Gazans will need to govern, preferably non Jihadist.
Return to the Arabs of this land tribal and clan leadership, this is where their loyalty is.

 

Bill what do you think of Dr Keidar suggestion?

 

Kan News journalists described Ireland’s entry as ‘the most scary’ of the night, involving ‘a lot of spells and black magic and dark clothing, Satanic symbols, and voodoo dolls.’

Vocally anti-Israel Bambie Thug flew into a tear-filled rant with vulgarities after placing sixth place behind Israel’s Eden Golan.

 

Yosef Haddad Israelli Arab would be great Minister in Israeli government.
Israeli Patriot.

 

I couldn't understand him very well. It sounded like he was proposing a separate Palestinian state just not democratic. I don't think that's a problem. I didn't understand his talk about the Jordon valley either. Nor did I understand what he was talking about when referring to rural areas.

 

According to Kedar, "The eight-state solution is based on the sociology of the Middle East, which has the tribe as the major cornerstone of society. We should follow this characteristic of Middle Eastern culture as the basis for the Israeli-Palestinian solution."
He says that the Western-style nation-state structures imposed on regions inhabited by multiple tribes such as Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Libya are failed or failing, whereas states based on homogenous tribes such as the United Arab Emirates can succeed.

The eight Palestinian city-states would be the Gaza Strip, Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah, Jericho, Tulkarm, Qalqilya, and the Arab part of Hebron, all of which he says possess traditional tribal leadership structures capable of transitioning to a self-governing emirate. Geographically, each emirate would govern its city and surrounding land. Each state could independently decide its own form of government, make its own laws, educate its own people, and print its own currency if it wishes, as well as have its own media, develop its own industry and commerce, or have its people find employment within Israel. This structure gives control and responsibility to local residents to decide their own future.

Kedar says this proposal would result in self-governance and self-determination for the vast majority of Palestinian Arabs, with the remaining (sparsely populated) area of the West Bank to be annexed by Israel and its residents offered Israeli citizenship. As part of the arrangement, Israel would provide free passage of people and goods between each city-state and internationally. This proposal also satisfies Israeli security concerns, retaining strategic depth and minimizing the threat of rockets or terror tunnels.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

United Nations cuts estimates of women, children deaths in Gaza war in half.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-nations-cuts-estimates-women-170941270.html

An updated data was published on May 8, the UN significantly reduced the figures to 4,959 women and 7,797 children among the 34,844 people reportedly killed in Gaza.

According to a 2010 assessment by John Sloboda, director of Iraq Body Count, 150,000 people including 122,000 civilians were killed in the Iraq War with U.S. In 2023 the new studies show 500,000 people died in US - Iraq war.

 

This was also in the article.

quote:
The updated UN breakdown of casualties does not include more than 10,000 people who the Gaza Ministry of Health considers "missing or under the rubble" in Gaza.

As I posted a few weeks ago your line about those numbers coming from Hamas and so should be assumed to be wrongly inflated was the general warning from many months ago. The current best estimate is that the number from Hamas is low, because of the "missing or under the rubble" issue. I posted a link to a very high reliable source that concluded exactly that along with a very pro-Israel source that argued the number of women/children in the Hamas total was high but didn't mention a word of complaint or suspicion about the total number. Also here's another bit I read in an article a few days ago.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hamas-is-far-from-beaten-this-is-why-xfhnd0s52

It mentions that IDF intelligence considers the Hamas total to also be low.

 

Hamas about 40% bitten, a lot of work ahead. Maybe 40% of tunnels destroyed, the more trained and experienced combatants are being eliminated, but yet there are 10s of thousands of Hamas fighters exist that need to be dealt with.
It's painful, as solders are getting killed and injured, Israel will make sure they didn't die for nothing. Returning to Northern areas to continue the fighting and expanding to Raffia.
Israel will continue fighting the Hamas, as long as possible, until a solution is presented.
The question is when it will be viewed as West bank type situation, with periodid operations to remove terrorists.
The price is high but the question is existentual for israel.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/eWk1vyyHI70?si=uhpYoGEYtqjSWKJo

https://youtube.com/shorts/fbTIMmoVKaI?si=F9AvZ1KQvrRLCtbt

 

Israel for the first time has released its estimated civilian death toll in Gaza, saying that 16,000 have been killed in the war that began on Oct. 7 instead of the approximately 35,000 that the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas' Ministry of Health is claiming.