Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What is this all about?

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/mesa-clerk-passwords-voting-equipment-security-breach-colorado/73-5fce900e-8e45-491a-a86e-71b2c5da98a2

    Colorado is investigating how Mesa County’s election system passwords ended up on the internet.
    Passwords linked to Mesa County's voting systems posted online in 'serious breach' of security,
    Mesa County’s voting system components to be used for the upcoming 2021 Coordinated Election.”
    As part of its investigation, the SOS ordered an inspection of Mesa County’s security protocols, surveillance videos, chains-of-custody for logs and a list of people who had access to the voting systems, as well as immediate access to the voting equipment.

    They also ordered Mesa County Clerk and Recorder Tina Peters (R) not to log in to, touch or otherwise access the equipment without written permission from the state, and she was urged not to destroy any materials related to the investigation.


    News release from the Colorado Secretary of State.

    https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/newsRoom/pressReleases/2021/PR20210810MesaCounty.html

    Statement from Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold Regarding Ongoing Investigation into Security Protocol Breach in Mesa County

    Denver, August 10, 2021 - Today, Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold released the following statement regarding the ongoing investigation into Mesa County Clerk and Recorder’s breach of election security protocol.

    “Yesterday I ordered the Mesa County Clerk and Recorder to comply with inspection of election equipment, video footage, and other documents in the county. The Clerk’s Office must prove that chain of custody remains intact and that there has been no unauthorized access to voting equipment in the county. Failure to do so will result in decertification of the specific voting equipment in Mesa. Colorado has the best election system in the nation, with built in security redundancies. As Secretary of State, my number one priority is to ensure all election security protocols are followed and to safeguard Coloradans’ right to vote.”

    Yesterday, the Secretary of State’s office sent an Order to the Mesa County Clerk and Recorder requiring the inspection of election equipment, video footage of the election equipment, and other relevant materials. The Mesa County Clerk and Recorder failed to respond to the Order or any request for information.

    Today civil servants with the Secretary of State’s Office, accompanied at all times by officials from Mesa County, began to inspect voting equipment and other relevant documents. During their inspection, the Secretary’s staff were in contact with the District Attorney and his representatives, who were conducting their own separate, independent investigation. The Secretary directs any inquiries concerning the District Attorney’s investigation to that office.

    Pending the outcome of the Secretary’s preliminary investigation, the Secretary of State’s office will determine if it is necessary to take the further action of prohibiting the use of or decertifying specific voting systems equipment in Mesa County.


    This breach in security protocol has not created an imminent direct security risk to Colorado’s elections, and did not occur during an election.


     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    No apology necessary. I figured out a long time ago that you don't read my posts.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Colorado, like all the other states and the District, has already certified the election. You might have missed that part.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think the issue is related to upcoming elections in CO 2021 and not about 2020.
    If there is a connection to 2020 its indirect.

    Right now, If Im not mistaken investigators looking at a Colorado voting machine ( Messa ) country backup before and after the 2020 election ( directory level ).

    Despite a federal offense, there are allegations that company has deleted 2020 related log files and databases after the 20 election. I'm told other states are confirming that this happened to them or will happen.

    I do not know all the details, but the SOS of CO raided Messa's clerk office; the clerk is at CS event. These backup images were made public anonymously.

    The passwords made available on line via some QANON site.

    They are doing a high level look and finding, what appears to be, incriminating info.

    Again, its what I read and hear and have no way to confirm any of it beyond what I posted earlier today about CO SOS .
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's August 12th. Joe Biden is still president.

    It looks like it's time to move the date again.
     
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Latest development deals a serious blow to Mr Lindell and others involved.
    A federal judge denied Lindell's bid to dismiss the voting machine maker's $1.3 billion lawsuit.
    Mike Lindell left the stage at his cyber symposium at the same time news broke that defamation lawsuit against him is going forward.
    Lindell is holding a 72-hour event in South Dakota to prove the election conspiracy.
    The federal judge ruled that lawsuits against Mike Lindell, Sidney Powell, Giuliani, and others can proceed.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is not true. He's doing no such thing. He's holding an event, and he's SAYING he's gong to prove it, but he's done nothing of the kind. Given that this event was planned ahead of time, his statements about the event's purpose are lies.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The logic is as I understand is if there was wrong doing on any side and if its proven then they can be still held accountable.
    Its not like there isn't going to be elections in the future after 2020.
    Its obvious that any Vendor would fight back,its expected.

    Why the speculations are there and people folling for it?

    Pre election Jan 10 2020, there were some alarms about the issues I remember NBC for example.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436
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    I assume issues were fixed/repaired/addressed before 2020 Nov elections, but this type of info contributed to the skepticism initially.

    many try to portray the people who are suspicious as some kind of stupid, but after watching and reading the above , one may have better understanding why the skepticism.
     
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  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    When there are paper ballots and those ballots are counted by machines and then recounted and then recounted again all by hand and the results each time are very similar like in Georgia then one can be sure that the results are valid. One can be sure that the continued lies by Trump that he won in Georgia are exactly that just lies. People that believe Trump's lies that he won the election in Georgia are being stupid. I really don't see any way around that conclusion?
     
  10. Garp

    Garp Active Member

    Twenty two pages of people whining about Trump, triumphantly obsessed over a pillow manufacture and on and on.

    Do I think there was widespread fraud significant enough to change the election? No. Do I think press manufactured issues with Trump and treated him differently than the current administration? Absolutely. Opponents of Trump aren't any better than his supporters. In some cases worse.

    Press went into the gutter during the Trump administration including outright lying (as with the case of the officer that died during the protest/"insurrection").

    Ridiculous.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, if you read the article that I posted form early 2020 by NBC, and all the experts comments, don't you think they know about hand recount?
    If they know than why are they concerned?

    Manufacturers of voting machines testified in front of Congress, why?
    Why bring them in to testify?

    Quoting NBC:

    Critics also argue ES&S has mislead jurisdictions into thinking their tabulators with modems are certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a claim they say is grounds for an investigation.

    In a letter obtained by NBC News sent to the EAC on Tuesday, the nonprofit public interest group Free Speech for People and the National Election Defense Coalition asked the agency to look into whether ES&S violated agency regulations by implying that voting machines with modems are EAC certified.

    “ES&S has repeatedly advertised its tabulator with internal modem — a critical component to ES&S’s voting systems — as being EAC certified when, in fact, it is not,” the letter said. “We therefore again respectfully request that EAC investigate and take action to correct this serious issue.”

    What is this all about, if there is paper ballots and those ballots are counted by machines and then recounted and then recounted again all by hand?
    One issue is what to do when there is a mismatch? Is the hand count takes residence over machine count?
    I didn't check. Then you are making valid point as long as there was no messing around with the paper ballots. When they match closely then you also make good point if there was no messing with paper ballots.
    The critics say the harder Dem's push back the more people suspect that there is something to hide.

    Again, I personally am focused on current and future issues.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    So far there is no credible evidence that rampant fraud occurs at all in American elections, much less that it occurred in 2020 without yet being proved — despite all of the looking.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Which were these? In what manner?
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I see absolutely no relevance to your hand recount point to the 2020 election and specifically the 2020 election in Georgia. The article was about the whole voting system in general. Of course there is a big concern about the integrity of our whole voting system. The server part of the system contains eligible voter information about who is registered to vote and eventually tabulations etc. It would be really bad if the integrity of those systems were compromised. It could send the whole election into turmoil. We know that kind of stuff did not happen in 2020, like you mention.

    The fellow appointed by Trump to run the branch in Homeland Security to safeguard and monitor the 2020 election said that 2020 was the most secure election in our history. And so Trump fired him He said that though in part because he had worked hard to make sure that in 2020 there was no, or almost no large counties. in the USA that didn't have paper ballots. The paper ballots allowed Georgia, for example, to do hand recounts of the election to prove that the system was working properly. It proved that things talked about in the old article or at least implied in the old article you pointed to did not make an impact to the 2020 vote count, at least not in the critical states that did hand recounts.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Under the same fellows watch when hackers (possibly Russians) hacked in to US government systems for more then 9 months without being detected for most of that time?

    From my understanding the greater concern of modems connecting machines to internet was not the possibility of voter data leak which is serious issue on its own, but the ability to take control, change and control the data etc. The denial by the vendors and some officials and a prove of their lying? Means there was a trust issue with some elections officials.
    The conspiracy theory claims that coordinated attack, on both fronts, tempering with ballots and changing the electronic count somehow took place.
    Non of it was proven, and so far no credible evidence was presented.
    I fell for some of these theories in late 2020 based on previous info form such articles that NBC published, and some legal fights over COVID related mail in ballots but moved on once the certification was completed. And when all cases were dismissed etc.

    Now we have the SOS in Colorado developments with security of voting machines data leaking.
     
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  16. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    At some point... you almost have to feel bad for him... it just comes across that he's elevated Trump into a religion... and so reason, logic, evidence, and all rational thought to the contrary... just doesn't suffice or change the man's thoughts....

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mike-lindell-loses-cnn-reporter-090019321.html
     
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    A lot of people totally respect ML where his heart is, his energy, his independence and accomplishments.
    Many don't like his rants, they hurt him and his efforts.
    Unlike the harsh and hateful left media portrayals, people who attended the event reported in some areas they expected more data and were critical.
    Others who were there saw no disappointment, but plans to move forward to try to have a day in court with convincing data.
    I'm told that on the final day the Attorney David Clements made allegory of murder case and election fraud.
    He showed images of physical - and recorded vocal evidence for both.
    Looked like an opening statement for a court case.

    I wasn't there, and was busy working so didn't get to see the event, only very short clip here and there.
    So far there is no credible evidence that rampant fraud occurs at all in American elections, much less that it occurred in 2020 without yet being proved — despite all of the looking.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Mainstream news media drifts towards show business side for decades, and accuracy is suffering. But the fact that Fox and CNN are both in infotainment business does not mean they are the same. Far from it. Walt Disney and Leni Riefenstahl are both pioneering filmmakers who produced WWII propaganda. However, they were on vastly different sides; you can't say they're "equally untrustworthy".


    White Supremacists Applaud Tucker Carlson’s Promotion of Replacement Theory.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Tucker Carlson would also be loudly applauded by the Covid19 virus if such a thing was possible. He is probably responsible for thousands of deaths and many tens of thousands infections.

    I would tend to agree with your general assessment of Fox versus CNN primarily due to the leader of the Republican party being a pathological liar and since the exit of Ailes Fox's fear of being "Trumped" by their more agile (meaning bigger liar) cousins Newsmax and OAN. However, the difference in accuracy between Fox and CNN is not large enough or perhaps been going on long enough to yet be differentiated by MediaFactCheck.com
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It is now August 14th in Washington, DC, the day AFTER Joe Biden was to be removed by the Supreme Court (in a 9-0 decision, no less) and Donald Trump reinstated as president. I checked. It didn't happen.

    NONE of this election nonsense pressed by the Right Wing Lunatic Party--they're no longer a "fringe"--ever comes to pass. What a bunch of rubes.
     

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