President Reagan's Legacy

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  1. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    My wife and I have started doing drugs.

    She gives me a little crack and I give her a little joint. If you know what I mean
     
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    We already tried that once.

    People are always going to want some type of mind-altering substance. I think alcohol and marijuana should be legal, as most people can still maintain productive lives while using them. That's not the case with the hard drugs.
     
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Rush and drugs...

    He had a potpourri of prescription painkillers. The one he used the most was Vicodin, which causes hearing loss if used long enough.
     
  4. Now that the man is properly buried...

    I think we need to establish some new Reagan legacy institutions:

    (ahem)

    1. The William Bennett Institute for Gambling Addiction (subtitled - while we moralize about everything and everybody, let's all blow our bankrolls and tout Roman virtue while sipping our free drink at the craps table).

    2. The Collin Powell School of Good Advice (subtitled - stop now! we've got Kuwait back Mr. President! We'll NEVER have to come back here again, and if we do surely we'll be able to get the world on our side) (OK that was George I, but still part of the Reagan legacy).

    3. The Rush Limbaugh Finishing and Manners School (free oxy provided during breaks and lunchtime)

    4. The Head-In-Sand AIDS Foundation - we take the approach that ignoring something, especially if it mainly affects people we don't like, is much preferred to dealing with a problem straight on.

    5. Guns! Guns! GUNS! Club - Replacement for the NRA, political agenda somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan. With a few more thousand recruits, those Arabs in Iraq or wherever the heck they live had better watch out!

    All delivered tongue in cheek to my conservative and liberal friends alike....
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Wonder how many victims (paralyzed and dead) of DUI drivers are living productive lives?
     
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Don't get me started on drunk driving. The law here in MA is a total joke, which shouldn't be a surprise, considering how many criminal defense attorneys are in the Legislature.

    If you kill someone with a gun, you get life w/no parole. If you kill someone with a car while drunk, you might get 2 years. :mad:
     
  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The lying about Reagan continue!

    Do anti-gun laws cause gun abuse?

    Drug abuse is primarily a problem of youth. Young people are drawn to the drug scene created by the illegality of drugs.
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Oops! I thought I stopped this before it processed. I was afraid you might think I was trying to "pick a fight" with you. I am glad you didn't, as that was not my intention. I think DUI laws in most states are jokes.

    I have had many clients over the years with more than three DUI's with the most being SEVEN!

    One local judge allowed a convicted three-time DUI offender to leave court, go home, and take care of some personal business. He gave her three days to get her "affairs in order." She ended up driving drunk, while suspended, and killed an elderly woman!
     
  9. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Yeah? What's my personal agenda?

    Am I making money from drugs being illegal? No. Who is?

    Am I making a career of drugs being illegal? No. Who is?

    Am I getting elected to the bench or to office for drugs being illegal? No. Who is?

    Cui bono, Jimmy. You have an interest if only a cheap ticket to Heaven. I do not personally benefit from drugs being legal or illegal. Despite that BS you wrote, my interest is precisely the welfare of others.
     
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The lying about Reagan continue!

    Yes, they take guns away from law-abiding citizens and leave them defenseless against criminals, who by definition break the law.

    The drug of choice for most teenagers is alcohol, which is legal. Do you want to abolish the drinking age also?
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    The most I've seen personally was a guy with 13 arrests and 7 convictions. I read in the paper about another guy with 15 arrests.

    More than once, I've had a OUI suspect come to their trial, stinko-drunk. One woman told the judge to f*** off. :D
     
  12. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The lying about Reagan continue!

    When I was young the drinking age in New York was 18. I began drinking in bars at 14. Underage drinking was common. To say that anything has improved with the raising of the age limit would be foolish.

    There are no easy answers.

    I have a question for you. Could drugs be as prevalent as they are without the "aquiescence" of LEOs?
     
  13. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The lying about Reagan continue!

    I don't understand the question.
     
  14. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

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    How many are arresting their friends, relatives and coworkers for drug use or sale?
     
  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Explain to me how heart failure, lost teeth, emphysema, cancer, infertility, psychoses, seizures, convulsions, HBP, Hepatitis, other bloodstream infections, abscesses, skin scarring, eating disorders, sexual dysfunction, spontaneous abortions, etc., contribute to the "welfare of others."
     
  16. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

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    I don't associate myself with people who use illegal drugs, so all I can tell you is that I would arrest my own son if I caught him with hard drugs. The stakes are way too high.

    In 16 years, I've known exactly 2 cops who got mixed-up with drugs. One got fired and the other died of an overdose right before he was to be fired.
     
  17. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Bogus. I've advocated none of those ailments. And I've not advocated drug use. BTW - I rather mysteriously contracted Hep B in 1990. I am neither gay nor a drug user.

    The drug laws haven't worked. The Volstead Act didn't work. With the laws, the substance problems remain while other problems develope.

    Are you for laws outlawing guns? Would you support laws limiting motor vehicles to a top speed of 50 MPH? Can we mandate a risk-free society?

    There is no limit to trying to outlaw behaviors. There can demand your ID and kick in your door and regulate your finances and on and on. And you wouldn't object to any of that would you? You have nothing to hide, right?

    Once you've given them all of this power then what will you do when they get around to religion? Think of all the ills that are attributed to religion. Control it? Outlaw it?
     
  18. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    Hmmm, you need a quick math lesson. Because the funding was so small in those years, large percentage changes are easy. A $1 increase on a base of $1 is a 100% gain; a $1 gain on a $1,000 base is a 0.1% gain.

    People's lives are saved by dollar gains, not percentage gains.
     
  19. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Actually, there is a part of me that agrees with you. I understand the opposition to interfering into the lives of people--sex, drugs, rock n' roll, and all that jazz.

    I can see where someone living in a "democratic" society would think if a person wants to use heroin, crack, etc., then that's his or her right. It is, after all, his or her body.

    IF, there was a solid guarantee that ABSOLUTELY no one else would get hurt except the drug user, then I'd say, "Go ahead, do what you want."

    The problem is that drug users affect and destroy the lives of so many others. They put a strain on the economy--rehab, welfare, etc. They can be quite violent, aggressive, and dangerous. "Crack babies" just break my heart.

    I honestly don't know what the answer is. I have just worked in substance abuse too long, heard too many horror stories, and seen too many horrific things to even consider supporting the legalization of drugs. With every controversial topic or issue, the "slippery slope" argument develops. If drugs are legalized, what's next?

    I am always amazed by those who don't want a legislation of morality because we cannot or sould not control behaviors. Yet, these same people advocate throwing billions of tax dollars into social programs designed to do just that, change (control) behaviors.
     
  20. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    That's not me.

    Sex, drugs, rock 'n roll, Branch Davidians, Lubavitcher Jews, the WEB Du Bois school, Socialist Workers Party...whatever. I can despise any or all of them if that is my wont but I can't outlaw them no matter how damaging I think they may be to "society."

    There is no guarantee, absolute or any other redundancy, that I won't be a menace to others the next time I drive my car or light my stove. Maybe "decimons" should be outlawed.

    They put a strain on the economy--rehab, welfare, etc? Let's do away with the welfare, rehab, etc.

    The only meaningful study I've seen on "crack babies" determined that they suffer almost exclusively from malnutrition.



    I'm glad those Founding Dudes hadn't that mentality.
     

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