Political Affiliation of Adult Mass Murderers in United States

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  1. me again

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    It would be interesting to do an empirical study to ascertain the following characteristics of all adult mass murder suspects in the United States, from the year 2000 to the present:
    - registered political affiliation of suspects (if any)
    - religious affiliation of suspects (if any)
    - race of suspects
    - number of deceased victims
    - number of wounded victims

    Thesis: Most adult mass murder suspects, from the year 2000 to the present, are or were registered Democrats. It would be interesting to empirically prove or disprove this thesis!

    Here are some interesting alt.left MSM stories:
    1. There's a Mass Shooting Almost Every Day in the U.S.
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE2tpTynScw
     
  2. Kizmet

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    It's too bad that the first thing you have to say about this is to politicize it, trying to demonize Democrats. Where's your Christian compassion?
     
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    He's probably spent the last 36 hours reading about all the horrible things liberals are saying about this shooting, and feels justified in adding to the deluge.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

    For once, can we just have a principle here? To just mourn a horrific event and to think quietly for the deceased, wounded, and their family and friends. We don't have to "have a conversation" about...whatever pet political causes hacks like to parrot every two seconds of their lives.

    Just a little grace would go a long way. Never mind the "other" side, just look in the mirror and think..."Not me, not today".


    Thoughts and prayers to all those affected.
     
  4. me again

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    Politically using chaos to chip away at Constitutional rights

    03310151 is correct.

    Kizmet, it's too bad that the first thing Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi have to say about this is to politicize it, trying to demonize the Second Amendment.

    Hillary Clinton attacks NRA over Las Vegas shooting and calls for gun control
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-attacks-nra-over-141900273.html

    Nancy Pelosi Calls on 'Immediate Creation of Select Committee on Gun Violence'
    Las Vegas Shooting: Nancy Pelosi Calls for 'Immediate Creation' of Gun Violence Select Committee | Billboard


    It is not in the dissemblance of the Constitution.

    Communists (aka socialists) and the DNC platform use chaos as an excuse to suspend or alter the Constitution as an excuse for the government to provide safety and security. Mass shootings are indeed chaos, which leads back to the original anecdotal thesis:

    Most adult mass shooters are or were registered Democrats, which is ironic because it is the DNC platform that wants to suspend, alter or severely restrict the Second Amendment.

    It is a very old communistic textbook strategy to use chaos as an excuse to suspend Constitutional rights for security. Nothing has changed.

    The United States Constitution provides unprecedented rights to the people, unlike any other nation on earth. What Constitutional rights will you give up or abolish for promised security? What price will you pay for freedom?
     
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    Don't worry so much me again. Nobody is going to take your precious gun away. The gun lobby is very powerful, and the reps are in the majority.
     
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    Half of your statement is easy to verify:
    https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#gun-violence
    You could have an argument against the actual DNC platform plank. You chose to substitute it with a strawman. You also chose to use a tragedy to advance your political side, by accusing the other side of using a tragedy to advance theirs - a textbook hypocrisy. Which provides empirical evidence for my anecdotal statement: a majority of outspoken Trump supporters are unrepentant and habitual liars. In this, they clearly follow example of the man himself.
     
  7. me again

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    Stanislav, as a Ukrainian (of Russian heritage) who has never lived in the United States, why are you interested in the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution?
     
  8. Ted Heiks

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    Are you saying that foreigners cannot be interested in U. S. politics?
     
  9. me again

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    God bless the Constitution of the United States of America!

    Ted, the North Koreans, Russians, Iranians and many other foreigners pay close attention to the United States Constitutional process. However, the United States Bill of Rights provides unprecedented protections and privileges to U.S. citizens, which is what intrigues foreigners. The First and Second Amendments to the U.S. Constitution are probably the most remarkable. And the Second Amendment is probably the most amazing because it circumvents Communists, socialists, the DNC, and the alt.left from usurping the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. However, gun ownership of U.S. citizens comes at a price. Is the price of freedom worth it? Communists and socialists declare that it's not worth it -- and they use knee-jerk chaos to try and chip away at the Second Amendment, but the U.S. flag still flies, even if deluded alt.left naysayers take a kneel when the Constitution is represented.
     
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  10. me again

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    10 deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history:

    1. Las Vegas: Oct. 1, 2017.
    58 killed and more than 515 wounded.
    Shooter: 64-year-old Stephen Paddock.
    Motive: Unknown.

    2. Orlando, Fla.: June 12, 2016.
    49 people killed and more than 58 wounded in gun-free zone.
    Shooter: 29-year-old Omar Mateen.
    Motive: Terror, hate crime.

    3. Blacksburg, Va.: April 16, 2007.
    33 killed (including shooter) and 17 wounded on gun-free campus of Virginia Tech.
    Shooter: 23-year-old Seung-Hui Cho.
    Motive: Mental-health issues.

    4. Newtown, Conn.: Dec. 14, 2012.
    28 killed, including shooter and 20 children and 2 wounded on gun-free Sandy Hook School.
    Shooter: 20-year-old Adam Lanza.
    Motive: Mental-health issues.

    5. Killeen, Texas: Oct. 16, 1991.
    24 killed (including shooter) and 27 wounded at Luby’s cafeteria.
    Shooter: 35-year-old George Hennard.
    Motive: Hatred of women, ethnic minorities

    6. San Ysidro, Calif.: July 19, 1984.
    22 killed (including shooter) and 19 wounded.
    Shooter: 41-year-old James Huberty.
    Motive: Mental-health issues.

    7. Austin, Texas: Aug. 1, 1966.
    18 killed (including shooter) and 31 on gun-free college campus.
    Shooter: 25-year-old Charles Whitman.
    Motive: Mental-health (brain tumor was found after his death).

    8. Edmond, Okla.: Aug. 20, 1986.
    15 killed (including shooter) and 6 wounded in gun-free zone.
    Shooter: 44-year-old postal worker Patrick Sherill.
    Motive: Revenge after a workplace supervisory reprimand.

    9. San Bernardino, Calif.: Dec. 2, 2015.
    16 killed (including 2 shooters) and 24 wounded.
    Shooters: 28-year-old Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, his wife.
    Motive: Shooters were committed to jihadism.

    10. Fort Hood, Texas: Nov. 5, 2009.
    13 killed and 33 wounded in gun-free zone (the law has since changed and it is no longer a gun-free zone).
    Shooter: Nidal Hasan.
    Motive: The shooter and his family described it as terror inspired by radical Islam.

    Source:
    These are the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history - MarketWatch

    Sidebar: Sixty percent of the above mass shootings occurred in gun free zones where firearms are absolutely prohibited by law. The statistic might actually be higher, if a little research is done.
     
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    Stanislav has never lived in the United States? Just take a look at where he received his PhD from.
     
  12. me again

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    Abner, that means that he knows how awesome the United States is.
     
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    I can't let that stand. Not the Constitution or the Bill of Rights confer rights. They restrict government. President Obama got one thing right when he spoke of negative rights of the Constitution. He then got one thing wrong in calling for positive rights.
     
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    Sure, they probably should be in the abstract. They might learn something.

    But when foreigners who have never voted in a US election (at least legally) become so passionate about American domestic politics that they pretend to know more about the subject than US citizens and try to shout down Americans born and raised here, it's bizarre, obsessive and more than a little annoying.

    In the United States, to use the language of the Declaration of Independence, the people possess inalienable rights, bestowed on them by their Creator. I'm personally an agnostic and not a Christian, but I nevertheless like the idea expressed there. The idea is that the rights of the people aren't gifts of the king or the state. They are more fundamental than that. In fact, the power of the state is delegated to it by the people.
     
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    You have become quite predictable me again. Whenever you are confronted with the facts by Stanislav and you don't have an answer, you deflect and go back to the "foreigner" card. Or you deflect and change the argument and try to turn it in to a religious discussion.
     
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    I am American, and I can safely say that Stanislav knows WAY more about American politics then I do. There is nothing obsessive and he is not "Shouting" anyone down. In my observation, he provides proof for his arguments, and invites others to provide their own facts if they wish to refute his point. I will also remind people that he did live and earn his PhD at an American B&M university, and there is a reason why he graduated at the top of his class. He obviously is well versed in all that is American, and that is evidenced in the fact that he completed his doctoral studies right here in the good old US of A.

    God bless America!
     
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    Is this forum ever outside of being tacky? I see me again didn't propose a thesis on how almost every single one of the mass shootings have been committed by men and how most of the shooters are Caucasian, U.S. citizens or permanent residents. Mental health issues have also been a major component. The first thing that comes to his mind is possible political affiliation when other things are so much more obvious.

    Don't get me started on the 2nd amendment and how people refuse to read the entire thing even though it's extremely short. It's the most blatantly misinterpreted part of the Bill of Rights, and its misinterpretation is mostly modern. The second most blatantly misinterpreted amendment is the 10th amendment. People just conveniently chop off parts they don't like.
     
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    The bedrock of our nation.
     
  19. me again

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    Decimon, that's an outstanding observation e.g. the Constitution (and Bill of Rights) restricts government in an unprecedented way. In theory, the United States government is:
    - of the people
    - by the people
    - for the people

    The Constitution works best when (at least in theory):
    - Constitutional protections don't get minimized too much
    - the federal government doesn't get too big (financially)
    - when federal authority doesn't run amuck with un-restrictive powers

    The Communistic adage (or promise) is that for the peace, safety and security of the nation, the rights of the people must be tightly restricted and controlled, with power being yielded to a central authority. The Constitutional writers created a very small United States federal government to intentionally prevent the centralization and consolidation of power. It was supposed to be the antitheses of centralized [Communistic] power. However, as everyone knows, once a federal bureaucracy is created, it is near-impossible to get rid of it. For example, during the first 150 years of the United States, the federal government consumed about one to three percent of the nations GDP, but starting around WWI until now, it consumes between twenty and fifty-five percent of the nations GDP (or more). It's disconcerting and concerning because it's heading in the wrong Constitutional direction.
     
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    Heirophant, your summary is spot-on. United States citizens need to read the above. Read it several times.
     

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