Online based Business Doctoral Programs with AACBS Accredition?

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Bob Grayson, Mar 29, 2020.

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Whoa there, pardner. Let's get something clear. That degree isn't being offered by the University of Maryland. It's being offered by the University of Maryland University College. This is a school within the UofM system, but separate from the UofM. The UofM and the UofM Eastern Shore are AACSB-accredited, for example. But this ain't that. UMUC isn't the UofM, which is why their DBA isn't AACSB. The UMUC isn't a "big name public school."

    If you take a degree from UC Davis, you didn't graduate from Cal.
     
  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I would wait, it looks like next year all the courses will be online so you have plenty of options for Doctoral programs. Some might stay online once they start online. Online degrees will become more popular after this pandemic so more options will become available.
     
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Right on! Someone was trying to claim LSU Shreveport was no different from LSU Baton Rouge, which is absurd.

    UMGC doesn't even have a # ranking on US News. Big name?! A laughable concept.
     
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  4. felderga

    felderga Member

    True UC Davis is not CAL or UCLA but neither is it a second class school either. Most of the UC schools generally aren't that far apart from each other (especially at the undergrad level) but I'm biased being a UC Irvine alum and this is a different debate for another time.

    However, from a typical HR recruiter perspective to get your foot in the door into a company I don't its a major misrepresentation to just say you earn a degree of the University of Maryland instead of University of Maryland Global Campus. I'm sure there are quite a few recent MBA graduates of LSU Shreveport who just list LSU on their resumes or LinkedIn profiles.
     
  5. felderga

    felderga Member

    Neither are some of the other programs that were mentioned previously on this post have a national ranking in US News (especially related to graduate studies in Business).
     
  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Who said anything about national ranking? UMGC is unranked in Regional Universities (North).

    Either way, both UNCG and Pace are nationally ranked (272 and 202, respectively). Care to enlighten me on the other schools that were mentioned on this thread?
     
  7. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    The fact that you see nothing wrong with people misrepresenting their qualifications tells me enough about your integrity.

    **Integrity is non-negotiable**
     
  8. GregWatts

    GregWatts Member

    If I was entertaining a doctorate in business... which I'm not... I would seriously consider Heriot-Watt. Yes, not AACSB, etc., but a very solid school at a decent price point.
     
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  9. felderga

    felderga Member

    So Chris I was speaking from the view of a HR recruiter (not a hiring manager) whom most can't tell the difference from U of Penn and Penn State. UM Global Campus is an extension campus of the University of Maryland. Yes their online programs are different from there brick and mortar counterparts but again to most recruiters who don't know the difference and quite frankly if it helps gets your resume on a hiring desk then great. And if you leave the Global Campus as part of the name U of Maryland Global Campus has a better BRAND name (think Big Ten even though they suck in football) than most schools being discussed here (football and sports in general has always been a great networking tool).

    For someone aiming to teach in an academic environment I would agree this may not best approach to market themselves this way on their CVs especially since you probably have to provide references who are past professors as well as transcripts.

    My advice again was purely aimed at pointing out a decent online DBA program that is tied to a major public university (or system in this case). There are not a lot of reasonable AACSB online DBA/PhD programs but this seemed to fit his bill mostly online with limited onsite (east coast).
     
  10. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I hope Neuhaus sees this and chime in. I can't seem to fathom the idea that someone couldn't distinguish between an Ivy League (Penn) and a public research university (Penn State). They must do a poor job of preparing recruiters if this is in fact the case.

    Also, UMGC is not an extension campus of UM. They are separate universities with their own administrators. They are, however, a part of the UM System, which may have the same board of trustees/supervisors. An example of extension campus would be Saint Leo University's learning centers located in various states. They do not have their own presidents and chief academic officers because they are an extension of Saint Leo's main campus. They might have a dean or some other campus director overseeing the day-to-day operations.

    The institutions comprising a university system are separately accredited. That tells you they aren't an extension of the flagship institution or each other.

    Someone who graduated from Penn State Harrisburg could just write Penn State because all the campuses across the Commonwealth are a part of one university (The Pennsylvania State University). The degrees are awarded by the flagship campus (administrative & research hub).
     
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  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Once upon a time I was asked by an HR person to review a stack of resumes "to see if anything jumps out at you." They were a little surprised when the piece I hit on was the existence of an unaccredited degree from one candidate. They hadn't caught it. I'm not sure a lot of HR people could recognize the differences in the administrative structure of each state university system. I know I don't. I think Chris is right in that people shouldn't misrepresent their credentials. I also think it happens a lot. I mean let's face it, there are lots of people out there using degrees that are totally fake. Someone says, "I was 3 credits short of earning that cert but I'm going to put it on my resume anyway." Clearly it's a lie but I'll bet it happens a lot. The frequency doesn't make it right but it creates a sense of "everyone's doing it so it can't be that bad."
     
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  12. felderga

    felderga Member

    Sorry like it or not I'm sure there are quite of few folks that do this....and yes I know that Univ of Maryland Global Campus is a separate (and mostly online) campus of the Univ of Maryland system (that's what I meant when referring to them as an extension ....I have certificates from UCLA Extension which is the part of UCLA but not a separate campus).

    Many state university systems from a marketing standpoint are using similar branding schemes and logos make their campuses feel more connected to one another. For example the Univ of Minnesota system campuses websites have the same look and feel. Rochester is not the Twin Cities grads from that campus often refer to themselves as U of Minn grads only and not U of Minn Rochester. This also applies to the Univ of Washington (where Bothell and Tacoma students are UW students). So from a consumer perspective the lines are being blurred even though they are separate and distinct campuses.

    Getting back to the intend of the original post which was about finding an online doctorate program that has AACSB accredation. Again UMGC was presented as an option if you can deal with not having the accreditation. I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest of whether UMGC was a great school or not. However the program is fairly solid and should meet the needs of a working mid-career adult. The University of Maryland is a powerful public university brand (whether you include GC or not ) and will get the attention of a HR recruiter and even more so than names like Saint Leo, Liberty or even Trident (LOL).
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'd be more understanding of someone who got such a degree and made that kind of slight on their resume or on LinkedIn.

    What I objected to was advising someone to take that from the beginning. That's a little reckless.
     
  14. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    UMTC and UMR are two different universities under the same system. Tacoma and Bothel are campuses of UW, they are not separate institutions. Every case is not the same. In the case at hand, UMGC is not an extension of UM College Park.

    By calling UMGC a big name, it suggests you were trying to call it a great school. What evidence do you have that UMGC will fare better among recruiters than Liberty or Saint Leo? For the average job, most people don't care where you earned your degree. They just want you to check the box. I got three civil service jobs in two states based on my Ashworth College degree.

    In academia, it's a different story. Names matter, and mode of study is important, especially for tenure-track positions at research universities. A UMGC DBA will be in the same category as Liberty and Saint Leo, i.e., all online programs. Liberty might have some controversial aspects, but don't forget it's popular among Christians and conservatives.

    Btw, you think I'm supposed to be offended by your Libert remark. FYI, if I had to do it all over, I'd choose Liberty. I've interviewed for an Asst. Prof position at a top 150 university. I've turned down two interviews for faculty positions at a public university and a public college. My Liberty degree was listed at the top of my resume. I'm sure your resume would end up in the trash if you applied for a faculty position at a B&M university where a doctorate is required or preferred.

    Unlike your school that sits in a strip mall, Liberty occupies a 7,000-acre campus with 65 miles of hiking trail. Don't forget Liberty is backed by a law school, medical school, school of engineering, and Division I athletics.. lol
     
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  15. felderga

    felderga Member


    Not calling UMGC a big name....I said University of Maryland (system) is a big brand name. And I agree if getting a degree to check the box then UMGC should work. Is the Maryland brand name that attached to UMGC that matters.

    I'm a UCI Anteater, UCLA Bruin and Minnesota Gopher so I have plenty of DI schools to root for so I'm not to bothered that Trident is a non-sports online only school that sits in a corporate business park (after all this is a check the box exercise that is the most affordable for me). Liberty is no doubt a rising school and I seriously consider it however it didn't fit my pocketbook and more importantly I couldn't stomach Jerry Falwell Jr.
     
  16. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I don't have any "big-name" school to ride on but I am quite content. The name of the school might get you an interview but it won't guarantee you a job. Anyway, I can't stomach JF, Jr. either, but this degree isn't about him, it's about me, the 25% tuition discount, and adding "Dr." to my name. :D Since I was about 11, I decided I would get a doctorate for no other reason than to still be styled "Dr." since I realized I was too dumb in the sciences to become an MD lol.
     
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  17. JoshD

    JoshD Active Member

    I agree that the name of the school can get you an interview but does not guarantee a job. However, I think when it comes to pursuing a degree at a "big-name" school, one is choosing to do so to gain access to world-class professors, top-notch career services and most importantly...the accomplished alumni. Ever since I have posted on my LinkedIn that I will be pursuing my MSQM:BA at Fuqua, I have been bombarded (in a good way) by current students at Fuqua or alums of Fuqua that have essentially told me to reach out when I am nearing the end of the program and they will help me land a position in my field at a company I want to be at. This is the biggest difference, in my opinion, between "big-name" schools and others.
     
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  18. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I can especially agree with the accomplished alumni connection. Networking is everything, even if they are not alum. If the right people know you, it can take you anywhere, even if you're not the most qualified. I am not sure what's the benefit of the "top notch" professors when some students are still dumb af.. (See DJT, 2016-2020).
     
  19. JoshD

    JoshD Active Member

    I think having top notch, industry leading professors goes right back to the networking. These professors at big-name schools have connections and can get you in touch with people you may not have been able to get in touch without that professor. As far as students still being dumb, I would think that big-name programs have figured out a way to admit students that are highly qualified intellectually, academically, etc. I am almost certain there are very few dumb students in big-name programs. Are there anomalies? Absolutely! However, for the most part, I would venture to say most are going to be highly intelligent.
     

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