Nominee for Comptroller of Currency misrepresented his degree

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  1. John Bear

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    A pair of two week programs that used to be held at Dartmouth. Not quite a degree.
     
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    If you get tired of the ostrich thing, John, I'm sure you'd be welcome here in Canada. But you should know: the Citizenship Test involves a blindfold ID-by-taste test of 18 brands of beer (unless religion forbids) AND a 10,000 word essay on the Stanley Cup Playoffs - even though (at present) the Sacred Cup is firmly in the grasp of an American team.

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    Is the allegation that:
    (1) He did not graduate from the program?
    (2) or he listed it incorrectly on his resume?
     
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    Interesting! The pragram looks like it misleading-not maybe the graduates. They are many of these programs around with the blessing of the universities who collect big bucks.
     
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    The latter. It's not a program offered by Dartmouth, it's a continuing education short course that was offered by a third party on Dartmouth's campus. To be fair, he doesn't use the word "degree" (although the L.A. Times screws up and does so). In fact, if he didn't refer to "Dartmouth" then I wouldn't really see a problem.
     
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    I do have a problem with the program. What are graduates suppost wo write.

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    Graduate School Of Credit And Financial Management At Dartmouth College - is an educational institution.

    I inserted the dash to better highlight the problem. It looks like he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    The NYT article appears to be a "political smear job" because the guy is a nominee of President Trump. The guy does not claim to have a degree from the program, but he does rightly claim to be a graduate of the program. The NYT editors are very deceitful about this dishonest smear campaign.

     
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    I'm going to almost agree with me again. It's not a degree but the guy doesn't claim it's a degree. It's not clear that it's a "certification" either but I suppose that I'd create a certifications section on my resume and stick it in there. It seems closest to the truth. I think it's deceptive to imply that it's a Dartmouth program just because they used a Dartmouth building and I'd go so far as to say that it's deliberately deceptive. Still, I'm not sure I'd say it's all that big of a deal and they probably really are trying to smear the guy because he's a Trump nominee. To me this seems like much ado about nothing. I'd call it a misrepresentation. Remove the word Dartmouth and replace it with the name of the company that actually ran the program. Call it a cert or a "post grad program" or something that makes it clear that it's not a degree. Now if the guy is not qualified for the job he's been nominated to take that's another matter. You can grill him all day if you like. Otherwise I'd say, let's not make it bigger than it really is.
     
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    The linked article was in the L.A. Times, not the N.Y. Times. But the same probably applies, especially since the L.A. Times article seemed to rely heavily on a previous article from Bloomberg.

    It's a little duplicitous for him to refer to Dartmouth, but it's a real stretch to try to tar the Trump administration with this.
     
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    I'd also add that the guy is probably pretty stupid if he thought no one would notice that kind of cheap fakery. Another ~quality~ nominee.:indifferent:
     
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    It pains me to, but I also almost agree with me again on this. The guy seem to have benefitted from having the name "Dartmouth" near this credential, but so did probably a majority of people who purchased this particular CE program. The company practically forces you to list it this way; it's not as if this wasn't a consideration for them when deciding where to rent premises. It's not a big deal. I'd think Trump nominee to a regulator position would have more legitimate things about him to discuss; the press is being lazy and superficial here. It's not a "political smear job", because the press is often lazy and superficial.
     
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    Enh, he probably just recycled a bio that he's used for years in the banking industry. This is like a "third class misdemeanor" when it comes to this sort of thing; he might be a perfectly good nominee.
     
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    Somehow, I doubt it. But this little factoid doesn't tip the scale, one way or another.
     
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    I don't know if he's a good nominee or not. I'm not sure I know enough about it to make a good judgment. I think I read somewhere in the story that he's the first person ever nominated for the job who didn't have a grad degree of some sort. In any case, if I was nominated for a job like that I think I might glance at my resume before sending it over, rather than just sending a "recycled bio." At the very best it's a careless mistake from a person who is supposed to be very detail-oriented.
     
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    Yes. It's hardly a capital offence though, so meh. Considering that he joins the team that let the wife of the Big Guy deliver a high profile speech plagiarized from another high-profile speech, it's not that he'll drag down the average or something. Also, Rick Perry guarding the nation's nuclear arsenal.
     
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    One look at this forum is proof positive that a graduate degree is not all it's cracked up to be. LOL. In most cases, a Bachelors degree is entirely sufficient to achieve ones goals in life. In many cases, the pursuit of a graduate degree:
    - will not enhance a career
    - and is strictly for vanity
     
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    Not quite. Just the first person since 1981. From the article: "He would be the first comptroller of the currency since 1981 without an advanced academic degree."

    Long ago (1970s), I completed a 3-year extension program in Credit Management, from the Canadian Credit Institute. At the time, the (home-study) program was administered for the Institute by the University of Toronto.

    I thought then (and still do) that it would have been absolutely ridiculous and dishonest to try to pass this off as a University of Toronto program of any kind, let alone a degree from that school. And this guy takes a two-week course in a Dartmouth building...

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    Am I supposed to think it's somehow different in your case?

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    Johann, you are not supposed to think in any particular way i.e. there are no requirements for you to hold any particular opinions; and you are free to draw your own conclusions.
     

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