New York Times, NPR and Others inacurancies in reporting or biased media?

New York Times, NPR and Others Left Out That Israeli Official Was Talking About Hamas, Not Gaza

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/york-times-npr-others-left-193554159.html

 

I'm no fan of Hamas or the so-called Palestinian State or the kleptocrats that run it but I am getting awfully uneasy about the Israeli prosecution of this war. Contrary to his vague announced intentions I'm starting to think Netanyahu intends to destroy Gaza and turn its residents into permanent refugees. That would be genocide.

Netanyahu is a self-serving populist with no discernible moral sense. Nothing new there. If the ultra-right religious Zionist settler movement requires Bibi to destroy Gaza he will destroy Gaza rather than lose power and finally face the criminal charges pending against him.

 

There is no war without civilian casualties, Gaza is not some remote field or forest etc, it's a densely populated area, One can't control each and every solger. The combatants are shooting from civilian areas. How Israel can stop them if there are some 40,000 trained gerilla army under the ground and on t H e ground.
They are shooting rockets at Israeli children.
Israel unlike Hamas invested in bomb shelters and Iron Dome. Otherwise we would be talking about many civilians dead on Israwli side.
This is Genoside of Israelis.
Israel has to desmental hostile army in Gaza.
Syria had 500,000 people killed since 2011.
Lebanon will be even bloodolier, Northen towns in Israel are evacuated and people displaced.
If full blown war starts with Hezbollah there will be 10,000 rockets and precision missiles fired at Israwl.
The Palestinian Arabs want Israel destroyed.
Not all but majority and their leadership.
If Israel targeted civilians there would be 250,000 or more dead.
They are fighting very difficult enemy in highly populated area.
And I don't know what else they could have done.

 

All true. But Netanyahu is saying he is opposed to a Palestinian State altogether. His policy is the thing that makes the difference between casualties of war and genocide.

 

It is reasonable to be Pro Israel and against Netanyahu. I am.

 

Netanyahu is realist, he knows what is the real meaning of Palestinian state.
The destruction of the State of Israel.
Two-state solution is impossible, there are strong forces that oppose it, these who believe all the Land Of Israel also known by Roman given name Syria Palestina, mandated to establishment of the National Jewish Home. And Arabs of Palestine who want the whole land and always rejected the offered partitions as unfair, to block any Jewish Immigration to the land, they claimed it's more of them and they are getting less land, and not accepting the migration and rapid growth of the Jewish population.
Iran will not allow it as well.
Gaza has 2 million Arabs who hate Israel and after this war hate it even more, the bloodthirsty terrorists on Oct 7 demonstrated their hate of Jews, calling their relatives with joy of sharing how many Jews they killed.
This conflict is old, and on going. Some will say it started by massacre of Jews in 7th century, resurfaced in 20th century with Ottomans leaving the land of Israel.
But there is no genocide in Gaza, there is an ugly, cruel war with high civilian casualties due to the nature of this specific war.
Plans to transfer population are not new to the region. Jews of Egypt, Iraq, and other Arab countries were expelled, their property and belongings were confiscated.
Estimated 900,000 Jewish refugees were created for what? They were simple people loyal to their countries and had no ill wish for their neighbors, they were expelled from Arab for being Jews.
Israel can't go back to pre Oct 7 state. Israelis refuse to do that, It's not just Bibi.

Netanyahu, possibly, made miscalculations and mistakes as well as other PMs.
While odds for him surviving politically seem weak, we may be surprised to see a stronger than expected rise of Israels right.

 

Setting out deliberately to destroy a community and scatter or kill its members is genocide. There is no moral or legal justification. Netanyahu hasn't specifically stated that this is his goal but his statements and actions thus far leave no clear alternate path.

 

I don't know much about these definitions. But in this case, I don't think it applies.
A strong case is made to prove there is no genocide, but due to the nature of the type of the enemy and the attacks originating from the and by the Gazans there is a no other choice.
Civilians often warned to leave and other situations and aside some exceptions by individuals, there is no direct official policy to target civilians.

Again I'm not an expert on these. But Israel was not left any choice but to be slotted and have rockets shot at it.

 

You're looking only at the actions and not listening to the rhetoric. Or perhaps you accept the Israeli government's justification for genocide. Somehow Netanyahu can do whatever he likes because the Palestinian population is sub human? Jews of ALL people should know better.

 

Here's IDF soldiers happily singing about genocide. They sing Netanyahu's words which say in part "there are no uninvolved civilians". It makes Israel look really bad and guilty of genocide.

https://news.sky.com/video/south-africa-brings-genocide-case-against-israel-at-icj-13046226

 

Israels government sees Arabs who hate Jews, who want to kill Jews.
The Hamas attack definitely proved that these were subhumans.
Young children in Gaza are delivering intelligence, supplies to the terrorists in tunnels, they are seen going in and out, these supplies are used to shoot rockets at Israeli children and solders.
So what I'm saying is that Israel has no options. Be shot at or be shooting.
Only two days ago, 21 Israeli solders were blown up in a building in Gaza. One reason is that in order to reduce civilian casualties, orders were given not to use air force bombing.
After that loss of life, today the air force resumed activity.

In the Middle East, mentality is about survival by all means.

 

I watched, they are singing about the commandment in the Torah. Fight and defeat the Amalek.
Interesting that this week the Parsha is remembering what Amalek done to you.

The mitzvah of remembering Amalek clearly has a broader scope than being just a direct preparation for the war to eradicate Amalek, since: In this sense Hamas, Hezbollah, Terrorists are Amalek.

If "remembering" was required merely in order to "verbally arouse people to fight them," the two processes of "remembering" and "eradicating" would constitute one single mitzvah. As we find in the case of "arousal" to fight and the fighting itself.
Here, this video is clear about eradicating Hamas, Hezbollah etc. But I can see how it is taken out of content by those who allow to be manipulated by Hippocrates.


Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey out of Egypt, how they surprised you on the road and cut off all the weak people at your rear, when you were parched and weary [from the journey], and they did not fear [retribution from] G‑d [for hurting you].

-- Devarim 25:17

Today, Jew haters, people who hate Jews and attack the Jews just for being Jews are associated with Amalek.

 

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/134601

Remembering the Jewish Massacres in Mandate Palestine

The hate rage between Arabs and Jews of Palestine is at least 100 years old.

There were retaliations and they are still fighting.

 

All of that is true, Lerner. But Israel is creating the next few generations of fanatical enemies. You can't simply state that Gazans to a man or woman hate Israel and are happy to die to help kill off the "Zionist Enemy". It isn't true. It isn't close to true. But Israel is making it true for the future. This is unwise as well as being immoral.

I'm not an Israeli. I do have a circle of friends including Israelis and the families of Israelis and I am myself eligible to make aliyah (though it's unlikely I'd ever take advantage of that fact. I'm an American born and bred after all.) My heart is with Israel. I say what I say because I think that the country is being led into folly and will come in time to regret deeply what it is doing today.

 

Last thing Israel wanted was a war, but it was forced upon them. I agree that not all Gazans are wishing Israels destruction, many were given work permits in Israel and were able to make living etc.
Israel is in a war for existence for more than 75 years. Gazans also created next generations of Israelis that hate them as well, and enforced right-wingers who are ready to resettle Gaza with Jewish settlements.
Seem like some talks are on the way that may stop the fighting.
There were yesterday and today in Gaza Children and today Adults Gazans who demonstrated for ending the war.
Dozens of Palestinian children in the central Gaza city of Deir al-Balah held a rare protest against Hamas on Wednesday, calling on the terrorist organization to release Israeli hostages and end the war so they can return to their homes.
Outside Deir al-Balah’s al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital, the children held white pieces of paper reading, “Yes to giving back the prisoners” and expressing wishes to return to homes in Jabalia and Beit Lahiya, in the northern Gaza Strip.
Today the demonstrations were joined by adults, so someone is organizing those, and it may even be Hamas, I don't know but ?

https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1750095698790400127?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1750095698790400127|twgr^5ae2a5ee201a6d6b452cc7b58f35410fe3873ade|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.jns.org/gaza-children-protest-against-hamas/

 

translation from Arabic on X
قادة #دواعش_حماس وفي مقدمتهم السنوار، استمعوا إلى صرخات شعبكم أطفالكم ونسائكم الذين خرجوا في هذه التظاهرة العفوية داخل مستشفى شهداء الأقصى بدير البلح ويعبرون عن سخطهم من الوضع الذي دفعتم غزة اليه ويطالبونكم بإعادة المختطفين الإسرائيليين إلى ديارهم لتتوقف الحرب. هل ستصل هذه الصرخات والمطالبات الى مخابئ قادة حماس؟

The leaders of #ISIS_Hamas, led by Al-Sinwar, listen to the cries of your people, your children and your women, who went out in this spontaneous demonstration inside Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir Al-Balah, expressing their indignation at the situation you pushed Gaza into and demanding that you return the kidnapped Israelis to their homes so that the war stops. Will these cries and demands reach the hideouts of Hamas leaders?

 

Hamas' attack was a blunder for which Gazans are paying dearly. But if you think Israel has been dealing in good faith since Oslo, you are mistaken. The Settler and Religious Zionist interests who now are the cornerstones keeping Netanyahu in power have been building in and occupying Area C with the government's open support since the end of the Six Day War. Every year that has passed a viable Palestinian State has become less and less possible due to these actions. If you don't believe me, find a map of settlements in Area C on line.

It is true and has been true since the Mandate that the Palestinian Authority (under one name or another) has as its announced goal a Jew free Palestine. What is ALSO true is that a big fraction of the Israeli Hard Right has as its goal an Arab Free Palestine, sometimes to the extent of advocating even for expelling Arab Israelis.

It is becoming increasingly clear to me that Netanyahu is satisfying the demands of his coalition partners by using the Hamas attack as his excuse for annihilation.

Finally, there is zero reason to think the results of new elections will be any different than the results of the last five elections.

 

The reality is that real and sustainable security, for Israelis and Palestinians, will never come from a military decision or mass killing of civilians, especially innocents.
Only a great change of values, which will turn the space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea into a space of civil humanity equal to all, will ensure the peace of nations and countries. But Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. and the Political, violent Jihad are not going to let this happen.

 

I don't agree Lerner. I think at this point Israel will carry out its genocide while the world just watches and does nothing. To quote a particularly hideous German politician, "Who now remembers the Armenians?"

We are entering a very dark period in human history.