My Own Timebomb (sort of)

It, like most dissertations from accredited schools, will be on file at University Microfilms. I do not know if I will be distributing it--either intact or in some other form--by other means.

 

Please let us know when it is published.

 

Hello Dave

Actually I am enrolled with AIU since they have an office
here in the Chicago area.

Used AMU for Certificates in Comp. Sci.

Yes the clock building is the one on the brochure.
However, It is old, worn, and not in a what one would
call a prime location.

Actually everyone would have a different opinion.
Mine is simple.
The institution is sub par.
Terrible service, and attitudes that would make a
rabid pit bull seem like a poodle.

When you talk with others in NJ who use NJIT,
Caldwell, Rutgers, Rider, and Villanova's Distance Learning
they look at TESC as below par.

We Jersey folks refer to it as a College Wal Mart Clep Center.

Thanks for the wishes Dave

Enjoy

Dave

 

Re: Re: more comfortable with accredited

I believe that any DETC accredited general education school could potentially earn regional accreditation. Unlike many inadequate substandard schools that sell degrees for taking a few classes and then pretend to magically convert life experience into large amounts of credits with the wave of their hand. I can't imagine that those kind of places will ever get accredited because it would be allowing too many bad degrees of bagage appear to be magically accreditted.

 

Hi James Lyons,

So may i know which major do you completed in Cali Coast U? Bachelor of Sciences in Business Administration or Management?

Please email privately at: [email protected]

Seiyu

 

It does not matter whether it is BSCS or BSBA. The truth is that either of the two is worthless. There are better schools that are accredited and they are also cheaper.

 

Hi James Lyons,

I meant if you are graduated with a BSc in Business Administration. I have a business deal for you, just wondering if you are keens?

Seiyu

 

You're jokeing right?

Business deal? what is that all about? I hope you are not insinuating cheating or anything like that. That would be totally unethical and just plain disgusting. People who insinuate such things give the school a bad name. If you want to know about the programs in private, you can e mail me at [email protected]. I will give you the skinny.

Michael

 

A brief appearance . . .

. . . to thank y'all for the most entertaining thread I"ve read on the board for a while. With that, here's my 4¢ . . .

CCU is a degree mill. Always was, and always will be. Thank you. Thank you very much.

AMU is hardly the bastion of academia - whether you like it or not, no DETC-accredited school will ever be held in the same regard, or have the same acceptance rate (n terms of degrees, transfer of credits, and universal acceptance for admission to graduate and professional schools) as an RA school. Tough noogies, folks; that's just the way it is.

As for TESC (my B.A. alma mater), I wouldn't care if they were in a shopping center storefront. TESC is regionally accredited, and that is the bottom line. (They have also expanded their campus facilities significantly over teh last few years.)

Ah, what the hell, an additional note . . . Union, where I received my Ph.D. and where Rich is pursuing his Ph.D., was located on two floors of the Provident Bank Building in downtown Cincinnati until the early 1990's, when they finally bought and redeveloped a few historically certified buildings in the Walnut Hill section of Cincinnati. Their current facilities are quite impressive, but even when they used "Suite 1010" in their old address, even they were regionally accredited.

Incidentally, I have been to the so-called campus of CCU - a nondescript, almost windowless building at the corner of 7th & Main Streets in Santa Ana that would make the old TESC look like Harvard. CCU is still a joke.

As for those who are so happy with AMU, I'm delighted for you. And as usual, I'll be laughing my you-know-what off the day you apply for a position or program that requires a regionally accredited degree. Like TESC, which will not accept transfer credits from AMU.

Okay, that's it, I've had my laugh now. But then, I also have my RA doctorate, so I'm way out of AMU's league anyway.

All together now . . .

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

 

Re: A brief appearance . . .

We all have to get our jollies, I guess.

Nevertheless, I like AMU. For one thing, it offers unusual subjects that no other DL programs offer. That makes AMU the best DL program in those fields by default.

http://www.apus.edu/AMU/graduate/gcourses.asp

I'm interested in the ancient world, so it interests me that the vice president of the Society of Ancient Military Historians is from AMU.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rrice/samh.html

Given that most of AMU's students are in federal employment, and that the federal government accepts DETC degrees, the descrimination against these degrees that you refer to may not be a tremendously big problem for most AMU graduates.

Besides, by all accounts AMU is pretty determined to become RA, and I fully expect that they eventually will.

If you say so.

 

BALDERDASH

"THE NEW SONG OF SHILOH: AN HISTORICAL, LEGAL, AND THEOLOGICAL EXPLORATION OF AN INDIGENOUS PRISON CHURCH (CHURCH OF THE NEW SONG, THERIAULT HARRY WILLIAM) Author(s): LEVICOFF, STEVE F. Degree: PH.D. Year: 1991 Pages: 00318 Institution: THE UNION INSTITUTE; 1033 Source: DAI, 52, no. 02A, (1991): 0691 Abstract: The Church of the New Song (CONS) was an indigenous prison church founded in 1970 by Harry W. Theriault, a federal prison inmate. Theriault, by his own admission, began CONS as a game to manipulate the legal system by using the free exercise of religion clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, allegedly underwent a religious experience, and has since written several religiously oriented volumes of work. Theriault and others sought in the federal court system to have CONS declared a recognized religion in the prison system, meeting with mixed decisions. The result is that the church has been recognized as legitimate by some federal courts, while others have declared the group to be a sham.

The study is in four parts. Part I explores Theriault's early history and provides a background survey of prison life and religious rights issues in the correctional system. Part II presents a comprehensive history of the church from its founding through 1980, including attempts to establish a world headquarters in Iowa. This section also includes a review of significant court cases in federal courts in Georgia, Iowa, Texas, and elsewhere, and comments on the New Song's current activities. Part III discusses the theological belief system of the New Song, including both messianic and anti-Semitic attitudes on the part of the founder. Part IV examines the constitutionality of the church based on judicial and administrative criteria and explores its impact on the legal and correctional systems.

The research model is historical, theological, and legal in nature, and makes extensive use of archival sources, court opinions, and interviews with persons who have interfaced with the church (both for and against).

Written from an evangelical Christian perspective, it is submitted that while CONS presents a false theological system, it fulfills constitutional and other legal criteria that warrants its recognition as a bSUBJECT(S) Descriptor: SOCIOLOGY, CRIMINOLOGY AND PENOLOGY
LAW
RELIGION, GENERAL Accession No: AAG9120966"


Dr. Levicoff,

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Indeed. I would gladly compare my AMU undergraduate degree with your TESC degree.

By the way, like it or not, AMU/APUS is on the way to regional accreditation by the North Central Association. The Union Institute and University is accredited by the North Central Assocation.

Please explain the significant research and original contribution you have made to your field.

An evangelical Christian perspective? Balderdash!

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

 

Boys, boys, boys . . .

Chill out, dudes and dudettes. I was simply in a ball-busting mood and decided to have some fun.

Frankly, I wish AMU the best in achieving regional accreditation. While not exactly into military hooplah, remember that I graduated from Vermont College when it was part of Norwich University and its rich military tradition. (Of course, I used to laugh my ass off at the cadets, too. ) My guess - and it's only a guess - is that AMU probably has some fine offerings. But it's not that I view AMU as a joke; I view DETC as a joke. Therefore, AMU's credibility will be more cemented in my mind if they have regional rather than DETC accreditation.`

As for your request, Charles, "Please explain the significant research and original contribution you have made to your field," the answer is no. With my publication record alone, you should be able to figure it out on your own. If you cannot do so, this is the best time to learn so that, if you decide to pursue further education at the graduate level, you will have sharpened your research skills now. You were smart enough to dig up my dissertation abstract (although you shopped off the final paragraph), so I assume you have the potential to check farther. Remember, I'm the one who already has the doctorate, so I don't have to tap dance for you; one day, I hope you may earn one as well, but don't expect me to do your research for you. In the meantime, however, if you can reprint my abstract (notwithstanding that I do not see its relevance to this thread) and still ask your question, you need to learn more about both research and original contributions. In other words, you're an amateur - now, learn to become a professional. Much to your surprise, perhaps, I have faith that you will be able to do so. Until then, dear child, leave the trust-and-parry to the experts.

Now, where was I? Oh, yes . . .

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

 

Dr. Levicoff,

Thank you for the kind words. I am very proud to be an AMU graduate. To date, AMU has only awarded a handful of undergraduate degrees.

Please accept my much belated congratulations on your doctorate.

How can you not see the relevance to your dissertation abstract? I would love to read the complete work. You said:

and

I suggest that many school children would have the same findings:

1. This is a false religion - WELL YEA.
2. However, it is protected under the First Amendment.

Do you have another point?

 

Charles, Charles, Charles . . .

Charles, I normally wouldn't bother continuing this dialogue, but you - and others - may learn something from it. Besides, I am free for the weekend (unusually, since I usually charge for my weekends, ba da bum! ).

First, one need not address me as Dr. Levicoff. I have never used the title, and you may be assured that on the rare occasion I bring up my doctorate (yes, my RA doctorate ), I do so with tongue heavily in cheek.

Now, you need to tighten your repartee. You ask, "How can you not see the relevance to [my] disertation abstract?" The relevance to what? The question is meaningless.

I cannot be bothered discussing my dissertation. On rare occasion, I still hear from people who were discussed in the dissertation and they want to debate the positions I presented. What they, and perhaps you, do not understand, is that this is something I wrote with one purpose in mind (fulfilling the final requirements for my doctorate) and which I completed over eleven years ago. I wrote it, presented it, defended it (such as a dissertation defense is done at Union, which is somewhat informally within the context of the pre-graduation meeting of one's doctoral committee), finalized it, and submitted it to the Dean and to UMI. And then I forgot about it. It's a done deal. I no more dwell on this 11-year-old document than I would dwell on any of my books. Been there, done that, etc.

Nonetheless, you have made two concluding statements about the dissertation that merely summarize 318 pages (according to the abstract you printed) into two sentences. The entire point of a dissertation is not the two sentences but, in this case, the 318 pages of text, notes, and comments that suport the conclusions.

I cannot help but notice (and laugh at) the notion that you are pursuing your MBA through Liberty University. No big whoop, and no insult intended - I think all MBA's are a joke. (Keep your seats, campers, that is my opinion. It is not intended to be empirical, and I delightfully acknowledge that it's subjective. But face it, I'm a liberal arts guy, so I don't give a hoot what MBA'ers think.) While Liberty is a solid school, they are not exactly teaching critical thinking; indeed, many of their programs are very much by rote, canned in their very nature. (Also my subjective opinion, so keep your seats, kiddies.) In short, Charles, when you ask, "Do you have another point," the mere question indicates that you are not versed in the type of critical thinking that fosters scholarship, let alone research.

In short, I am still out of your league. And if you continue your graduate education - and I hope you do - you may one day become as good at this game as I am. You may learn how to thrust, parry, and skewer with style and eloquence instead of merely asking, "Oh, yeah?"

And when you do, you will also begin to realize that, except for some occasional amusement for the hell of it (which is my sole motivation in commenting on this thread), there is no relevance to thrusting, parryuing, and skewering in the first place. You will have to prove nothing to others, because you will merely accept yourself and your own accomplishments.

But for God's sake, man, if you are going to foster a challenge to anyone (as you did with me), do your research and formulate your arguments carefully. And if you must be patronizing (as in, "I suggest that many school children would have the same findings..."), make sure you understand the nature of graduate-level, primary-source research before you make such an idiotic statement.

Now be a good boy, do your homework, and try again next year.

Oh, and best wishes in your MBA studies.
_____________________

P.S. That's my concluding statement in this thread. Feel free to get the last word in, Charles - it may provide you with some catharsis. (Look it up.)

 

Re: Charles, Charles, Charles . . .

Steve, I think that you would be well advised to read your own remarks, particularly those in which you say that "there is no relevance to thrusting, parrying and skewering." Then you might ask yourself why so many of your own posts revolve around those very things.

Do you really get pleasure from provoking others?

 

Re: Re: Charles, Charles, Charles . . .

1. Yes, but not during Lent (or on Yom Kippur).
2. No, but I have been divinely called to do so.
3. Sometimes, as long as I don't take myself seriously.
4. No, but I find it hard to suffer fools (not meaning you, Bill).
5. What? You didn't know about my kinky provocational side?

 

Re: Re: Charles, Charles, Charles . . .

Comon Bill, you have been posting here for almost a year and a half and haven't figured this out yet!

I got that with in the first two months!

 

I'm just an old farm boy so I will never get it, but does anyone have a clue what Levicoff is writing about in the above posts?

 

You must not have been around since aed. Steve is given to hyperbole, occasionally extreme statements without logic, and yes he does enjoy the provocation. Having said that you kind of weed out the hyperbole and the hook or gimmick in the transaction and search for substance. For those of you who are new, Steve has been an asset to weeding out degree mills (especially of the religious kind) and has been a respected contributor to the field of distance learning. When he gets serious about giving his opinion without hyperbole it is usually quite valuable. Occasionally he would crack me up on aed.

Speaking of Steve's opinion, I remember disagreeing with him over the Graduate Theological Foundation. I saw it as a legit unaccredited school (though I did not like the over association with Oxford). Then darned if they did not wander off and get ACI accreditation and I ate crow.

North

 

Re: A brief appearance . . .

Windowless building?

Sounds like the local Masonic Lodge!