More tut-tut-ery in Gaza

No I don't support such a thing. I wish the people lived in peace.
But thought more like Allies defeated Nazi Germany that eventually capitulated.

 

It's a totally different kind of war. It can't be fought the same as WWII. There is not an army of Hamas dressed in uniforms. This is a war against terrorists that are hiding in holes and mixing with the civilian population. We know that they don't care about the death and sufferings of their own people. Hamas is unlikely to ever surrender. There is no reason for them to ever want to surrender. The only way to destroy Hamas is to get the Gaza people to stop supporting Hamas.

Netanyahu supported and encouraged Hamas because he didn't want the PLO to be in control of Gaza because that put them a step closer to a Palestinian state. This mess is Netanyahu's fault because he's a horrible leader.

 

Do you see the bigger picture?
I think there is logic in what you are saying, but the bigger picture is that Iran and it proxies will not allow the people of Gaza to accept or go easy with their hate of Israel.
The bigger picture is that the goal of PLO- Palestinian Liberation Organization is the destruction of Israel. (Liberation of Palestine)
PLO may have slightly adjusted charter, while Hamas is less compromising toward existence of Israel.
Big mistake indeed, was to allow Hamas to create a fortress hostile state in Gaza. 8 months passed and only maybe 50% of Hamas (and tunnels, underground bunkers) in Gaza is destroyed, maybe now with major supply routs, tunnels in Raffia eliminated, (there are deeper ones that still exist) as we see less rockets fired at Israeli civilians from Gaza, there is a chance to destroy remnant of Hamas power.
Gazans hate Israel and blame Hamas for the destruction as well. The whole issue is Shia ideology.
It will take generations to change the mentality of hate in Gaza. Iran will not allow it, it will add fuel to the fire, inflame the whole mid east even more.
The Israeli Army chief met with Arab Army commanders in Bahrain to coordinate security.
Iran is on a verge of Atomic Bomb is bad news for the free world.

 

The elimination of a senior Hezbollah official signals: the IDF is preparing for war. The ball is in Nasrallah's court. As 200 rockets, drones and mortars fired on Israel since the elimination is partial response while Northern Israeli cities evacuated for eight months now, people displaced, fires rage, lives shattered.

The targeted elimination of Sami Taleb Abdullah, not only eliminated a revered commander for Hezbollah, but also left Beirut more vulnerable. Whether Nasrallah decides to escalate or not, the elimination constitutes a strategic strengthening of Israel against Hezbollah.
Killing a senior Hezbollah military officer is considered an acceptable action that falls within the "rules of the game", unless incidental damage is caused to civilians and the environment. In such circumstances, accurate execution based on military intelligence is critical and the IDF was absolutely precise, chose the right timing, adjusted the armament and the execution.

Sami Taleb Abdullah was also a highly experienced commander whose hands initiated terrorist attacks against Israel, and the "brain" behind the methodically employed by the Shia organization in the last eight months, during which it lost more than one hundred and fifty fighters.
But as far as Hezbollah was concerned, the most important role that Abdullah played was the defense of Beirut.
The Nasser unit he commanded constitutes half of the first defense strip of Beirut, while the other half, on the eastern side, is in the hands of Aziz's unit. The second line of defense on the way to Beirut is under the responsibility of the Bader unit, which extends from the Litani River to Sidon.

 

Most of your post was pretty factual but this was stated much too strongly. Iran and its proxies would do their best to increase hate of Israel everywhere but they can't force people to hate Israel. Israel is doing at least as much as Iran, probably more, to cause folks in Gaza to hate them.

Actually this is where there has been lost opportunity. After October 7 the environment was ripe to be able to put more world pressure on Iran with Israel leading the charge. Netanyahu squandered that opportunity because he's a horrible leader.

 

Yet, as is now becoming increasingly evident, it is not Netanyahu’s uncompromising approach that is thwarting peace efforts.
It’s the fanaticism of Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas terrorist mastermind behind the October 7 atrocities.

The willingness of Hamas commanders to indulge in the inhumane exploitation of Gaza’s civilian population is evident in Sinwar’s messages, where it is clear he is seeking to use the mounting Palestinian death toll to stall ceasefire talks.

The 61-year-old hardman, who once boasted of strangling one suspected Palestinian collaborator to death with his bare hands, prides himself on the profound understanding of Israel’s counter-terrorism mindset he acquired during the 22 years he spent in an Israeli prison for killing two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians in the 1980s.

Known as “The Butcher of Khan Yunis” after the Gazan enclave where he was born, one of Sinwar’s key calculations when planning the October 7 attacks appears to have been that the inevitable military response it would provoke from Israel would ultimately play to Hamas’s advantage.

Hamas terrorists play the west for fools.

And, judging by the tranche of leaked messages Sinwar is said to have sent to other Hamas commanders in recent weeks, his ploy has worked a treat. Thanks to Sinwar’s weaponizations of the Gaza conflict, Israel generally attracts the lion’s share of global criticism for its handling of the Gaza conflict.
The devious methods employed by Hamas in the interests of its own self-preservation, meanwhile, rarely attract the scrutiny they undoubtedly merit.

 

I guess what you're saying is that the evil Hamas terrorist Sinwar is playing Netanyahu like a fiddle. Netanyahu is helpless in Sinwar's sinister plans. Okay I guess I can buy that. It means that Netanyahu is a horrible leader AND extremely stupid.

 

In interview to CNN Hamas leader stated that they don't know how many Israeli hostages they have?
Hamas can accurately calculate Palestinian death tolls, but have no idea how many hostages are left?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-official-says-no-one-011524734.html

 

Sorry this assertion makes no sense that I can fathom. First, Hamas doesn't claim to have an accurate count of Palestinian death tolls. Second, they say they don't have an exact count of how many hostages are still alive. Third, these are two different unrelated things.

Now, should Hamas have an exact count of how many hostages are still alive? I say yes but, that sentence trying to conflate the two different things is just wrong. Is Hamas a lying terrorist organization? In general I say mostly yes.

 

Is that the Hamas Health Ministry is Hamas, not a trust wordy source of information.
Who is the head of the Hamas Health ministry? Hospitals - if no combatants there, why fighting is there? When IDF entered the hospital, if it's pure medical establishment, why heavy fighting?
Piers, and tunnels, rocket launchers and terror operations centers etc.

 

Is legitimizing the term "Palestine" as a national identity - gives its clear purpose to simply undermine Israel, rather than achieve genuine national self-determination alongside of Israel?

I think it is, since Oct 7th attacks and previous rocket shooting at Israelis.
There are armies in Gaza and Lebanon that are proving the above question.
Egypt military buildup on Israel border, is prep for future war with Israel.

 

Good question,

I guess those who were born or migrated to Gaza are Gazans.
Arabs born or migrated to Israel are Israelis.
Arabs born or migrated to Lebanon are Lebanese etc.

Palestine as political area ended in 1948.
Arabs rejected partition.
Jews of Palestine became Israelis.
Same for Arabs of Israel.
Arabs of Jorsan are Jordenians.
Etc
From what I know, Jordan granted citizenship to high % of refugees of former Palestine area.

 

You are just making stuff up. The normal word in English to refer to "Gazans" and "West Bankians" (?) is Palestinians. Based on some of the hate videos that you have posted in the past, there was a rant about genocide of Palestinians is impossible because there is no such group as Palestinians. So I assume that is the root of this argument?

 

Your conception is very different, It at times looks to me like hate of Israel.
I answered Steve's question the way I understand things to be. I think I'm correct in those thoughts. Gaza to me after 2005 is autonomic, One would say they are Californian, or Texan, so one is Gazan.
There is no Palestine after 1948. There was no such country before, the area was partitioned, there is Israel since 1948. It's a fact that Arabs and Jews of Palestine became Israelis.
Others think there is such country or people are fooled by PLO plot and deception, It's your and others right to think differently, I think they are wrong.

People say there are 2 million Arabs in Gaza in early 2023, who really counted? Which reliable senses proves that?

 

The difference between open-minded Muslim and Jihadi Islamists

 

I am against group hate, racism and religious bigotry. I frown on the hate on both sides of this conflict. It leads to poor decision making, more conflict, and more death.
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The common term for the folks living in Gaza and the West Bank is Palestinians. Your antics arguing against this common usage of the word Palestinian is similar to trying to argue that we should say canine instead of dog. It is silly and pointless. It just makes me think about that hate video you posted saying that it was impossible to commit genocide against the people in Gaza because they don't have a name or an identity because one can't use the word Palestinian to refer to them. I'll guess an additional reason that the radical right-wing in Israel doesn't like people to use the word Palestinian is because they want to make it harder for a two-state solution. The argument would be, Gaza and West Bank are two separate unrelated places. They can't be the same country.