More tut-tut-ery in Gaza

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, May 17, 2024.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Shooting an unarmed civilian waving a white flag is murder. I doubt it was midst battle anyway. Show a source stating that.

    The white flag was enshrined in international law over 100 years ago as a universal symbol of surrender. Shooting someone with a white flag is a war crime, not a mistake.

    A white flag displayed to indicate a willingness to negotiate during armed conflict. The envoy is protected by the flag of truce under Article 32 of the Hague Convention. The side displaying the flag of truce is prohibited from attacking whilst displaying the flag.

    Other forms: white flags. In warfare, a white flag is a symbol of ceasefire or surrender. If enemy troops wave a white flag during battle, the opposing side is not allowed to attack them. International law says that displaying a white flag indicates a request to pause fighting in order to negotiate. Sometimes it communicates "We surrender." Either way, no one is allowed to attack while the flag is flying. Non-combatant ships sailing through contentious waters also display a white flag as a sign of neutrality. This global symbol of (temporary) peace has been used since at least since the ancient Eastern Han dynasty in China around 25 CE.

    A white flag signifies to all that an approaching negotiator is unarmed, with an intent to surrender or a desire to communicate. Persons carrying or waving a white flag are not to be fired upon, nor are they allowed to open fire.

    Here's an article. white flag signifies to,they allowed to open fire.

    Do you need to see more?
  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Saudi Arabia and the UAE hired child soldiers to fight in Yemen, but Trump kept selling them weapons.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    White flag from Hamas can't be trusted, actually the first though it's a trap..
    Hamas is not official army of official state, they don't follow any rules.
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    How will Dems prevent the 404 mil $ getting to Hamas?
    That's what the subject is?
    You know what they will do with the money?
    Use it to attack Israeli children among others.
    Didn't they learn from Bibis mistakes?
    Civilians is Gaza are related to Hamas fighters, they are brothers, siblings, parents cousins. Who will deliver the $$$$ to Hamas?
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Okay so then the Israeli government is lying to their soldiers because they told their soldiers they weren't supposed to shoot people waving white flags.

    Also you admit that you were not telling the truth when you asserted that IDF and Hamas were in the midst of exchanging fire when the escaped hostages were shot while waving their white flag. I searched and searched and searched and couldn't find any such statement. Why do you just make up stuff like that? I mean already rarely believe what you say. This just makes it worse.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israeli troops were primed for an ambush, not the possibility of hostages walking around behind enemy lines in Gaza City.
    Gaza civilians don't need to wave wite flag, they are not combatants, no need to surrender. Civilians are not targeted by IDF.
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    So Gaza citizens don't have to wave white flags but if escaped Israeli hostages wave a white flag they are supposed to get shot? Sorry doesn't make sense.

    Also do you admit that you were not telling the truth when you asserted that IDF and Hamas were in the midst of exchanging fire when the escaped hostages were shot while waving their white flag? I searched and searched and searched and couldn't find any such statement. Why do you just make up stuff like that? I mean I already rarely believe what you say. This just makes it worse.
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm telling you the official story, not making it up.
    We see things differently.
    I dont justify shooting civilians.
    I explaned that this was an accident.
    You tend to distort what I say.
    Like managing damage control or something.
    IDF wasn't there on vacation or picnic, yes they were fighting terrorists.
    They would encounter ambush and people die.
    How do yiu don't see this? It's beyond ridiculous.
    There was feersfighting that day, was it that moment? I don't know, I wasn't there.
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The gallows on the neck of Hamas: Brigadier General Givati in an interview from the most dangerous neighborhood in Rafah

    Amir Bohbot

    Last updated: 18.6.2024 / 23:08

    The IDF believes that Givati's operation combined with engineering will change the rules of the game in war. Walla's reporter accompanied the brigade commander to the most dangerous place, where all the eyes of the IDF General Staff are focused - the Egyptian border on the Palestinian side. Col. Liron Batito: "The terrorists will have no choice - surrender or death"
  11. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

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    Arguing for the resolution is award winning journalist, best-selling author, and former Munk Debater Douglas Murray. His debate partner will be Natasha Hausdorff, an international law expert and legal commentator on antisemitism.

    Opposing the resolution is Mehdi Hasan. Mehdi is a best-selling author, former MSNBC anchor, and the CEO and editor-in-chief of the new media company Zeteo. He will be joined by the award winning Israeli broadcaster and Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy.
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    No, there was no fire fight at the time. The hostages had been free for a few days. They put up signs to the IDF saying they were there a few days before. Which the IDF admits seeing. It would be absolutely stupid for them to try to get to the IDF during a firefight. If there had been a fire fight at the time it would have been reported anyway. Which it was not. You just made that up about a fire fight at the time of their surrender. Your first reaction was to defend the killing of the hostages. Not even Israel tried to defend the killings. Only later did you admit it was wrong. You are apparently totally brainwashed by the far right-wing Israeli radicals. The right-wing radicals have the horrible Netanyahu under their thumb. The more you say the more I believe that the current Israeli government is unsalvageable. I hope the election happens sooner rather than later.
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Rest assured, it won't. And when an election finally does happen, don't assume Likud won't be able to for a governing coalition.
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    According to MK Avigdor Liberman the count down for this coalition gov has began.
    Strong disagreements between members.

    Full war with Lebanon is at the highest boiling point.
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    As I sad, you think IDF was there on a picknic or a bbq. The official story report was posted.
    I don't know who is more brainwashed. You constantly invent false meaning and distort what I'm saying, as if you are an apologist for left propaganda.
    If I was in Israel, I would vote for Lieberman party. This can serve you as a reference point on how far you are with your assessment.
    But I don't live there, my children are not in IDF or attacked by Jihadists from multiple fronts.
    I will leave those decisions to those who actually dealing with the war.
    Yes, some of our tax money goes to aid the only Democracy in Mid East, our friend in Mid East.
    God bless America, God bless Israel.
    God destory enemies of the free world.
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2024
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is not right wing, not left wing.
    It's the truth wing reporting.

    Last edited: Jun 19, 2024
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    "Hezbollah chief says nowhere in Israel will be spared in case of full-blown war
    Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah on Wednesday warned "no place" in Israel would be spared in case of full-blown war against the Lebanese group, and threatened Cyprus if it opened its airports to Israel.
    "The enemy knows well that we have prepared ourselves for the worst... and that no place... will be spared our rockets," Nasrallah said in a televised address."

    Nasralla is committed or plan to commit war crimes. Hezzbollah admits plan to target civilians. Hamas recently admit they militarize civilian facilities by admitting that they were keeping hostage in refugee camps. Which weakens Hamas claim of civilian deaths since they were the cause.
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I will start scaling down on posting in this tread.
    Will limit to updates.
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  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The USDA has defined the following grades for beef.

    Compost (I admit this last one is my addition not an official USDA grade.)

    The Compost Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, has been called out by the IDF for his misleading the public.

    Israeli Military Says Hamas Can’t Be Destroyed, Escalating Feud With Netanyahu
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Here was a great New Yorker article. It is about a village in Israel that was founded about 50 years ago. The goal was to have a community made up of both Palestinians and Jews, about half and half. The kids all go to the same school. The teachers teach in Arab and Hebrew. The kids grow up together and are all friends. The journalist went back to the village 6 months after October 7. The article is about what he found. Things have deteriorated since. The reason Palestinians everyday watch Al Jazeera and text messages to see what friends and family have died in the past day or two. While the Jewish Israelis are watching just Israeli TV whish is still mostly just showing stuff about what happened on October 7.

    “To be pro-Israel, you have to not only condemn Hamas but also say that everything that’s happening in Gaza is Hamas’s fault. To be pro-human is not an option.”

    “Dead babies in Gaza won’t heal our dead babies. The only way to move forward is with peace.”

    But for most Israelis, including on the left, the urgency seems only to have grown, and for many of them, it has made it close to impossible to see the suffering of the Palestinians. Even Maoz Inon acknowledged, “The gap between Israelis and Palestinians was never as wide as it is today.”

    I can't resist one last thing. Israel is being hurt, damaged, destroyed by their hatred of the Palestinians. This is the horrible Netanyahu's worst failure of leadership, IMHO.

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