Mexican Office Doctorates for less than 8K

Hello,
Few of the degreeinfo members have been interested in Spanish and Mexican doctorates mainly because of price but some of these options are not official (E.g. Azteca U), I received an email today for some options from a Mexican school that are officially recognized in Mexico for less than 8K Euros. Maybe of the interest of some of the board members:
https://www.euroinnova.edu.es/doctorado-en-sistemas-computacionales-udavinci-mx#seccion-temario

https://www.euroinnova.edu.es/doctorado-en-tecnologia-educativa-udavinci-mx

 

Oh, absolutely! Always! I note Universidad da Vinci (same org. as the Mexican school) also has premises in Quetzaltenango, Guatemala. It may - or may not - also be affiliated with a private university of the same name in Peru.

Is this Mexican entity (and are the Latin-American others?) offspring of this purported "International" DaVinci - a US-unaccredited thingy incorporated in Delaware, that appears to award degrees that are meaningless in North America? https://davinciuniversity.education/dv-university/

 

Well, the Mexican entity quoted its RVOE for these Docs, so who cares, I guess. ¡Buena suerte, muchachas y muchachos!
Glad it's not my $8K, though. If you're buying, make sure the RVOE is still valid. For the distance degree.
You can check the RVOE on the Government website.

 

Universidad Clea doesn't offer a 500 Dollars propio PhD yet, do they? Only 300 Dollar Masters, right?

 

Not yet bur San Miguel offers few I believe under 5K.

 

No wonder! From RFValve, a while back:

"Both San Miguel and NIU are just diplomas with no official value, San Miguel is registered as an official school but the degree granted has no official value."

Yes - you did - here. https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/masters-propio-eneb-etc.57268/page-37
Post #734.

JUNK degrees SHOULD cost under $5K. WAY under!
Todos los estudiantes, por favor escondan sus billeteras. (All students, please hide your wallets.)

 

These are offered in Spanish, no?

 

Why do so many threads turn up hideous "monster" degrees? ...It MUST be Halloween!

 

¡Claro que sí! And a second certificate, if wanted, is issued in English by an unaccredited California entity, NIU, so "grads" who require it can impress people with their "fine AMERICAN diploma." Oy gevalt! What a sham! A sham, a shame and a scam. I think I'm beginning so sound like a former DI maven... Next, I'll be firing up my rig and heading out on the Interstate with a full load. Show tunes... I mean Musical Theatre, turned up full... (I just figured out who I'll be for Halloween!)

 

What does that mean? Titulo propio?
Afaik San Miguel and clea have at least a few programs with RVOE, otherwise they wouldn't be state-recognised?!

 

I can't speak for RFValve - but to me "no official value" is pretty well synonymous with "no value."

A propio is different. It is properly issued by a University approved by the authorities. The university is allowed to offer the degrees without seeking specific permission. There are rules regarding use of the degrees in their country of origin. Hence they have some official status. They're legit but carry some limitations.

I take the remarks on San Miguel-and NIU thingies to mean they are junk.

 

I just checked CLEA has e.g. this program with RVOE. https://www.bs.uniclea.com/programas/licenciatura-en-gestion-empresarial/
So they can award propios too. I disagree with "no value" because of that.

 

Okay. I'll leave you to take it up with RFValve then. He said "no official value." That means "no value" to me, when it comes to degrees. YMMV.

 

The idea is enticing, though. I have a genuinely brilliant acquaintance who is a lawyer and speaks several languages including Spanish. He mentioned doing a professional law degree in Cd. Juarez. Cheap and convenient but not D/L. My Spanish isn't up to that!

 

I did fantasize about taking the Puerto Rican bar exam once. It has a multiple choice section in Spanish and an essay section where the questions are in Spanish but you can write the answers in Spanish or English. An ABA J.D. is the sole educational requirement.

 

Neither is my Spanish ... But for either of us, I'm betting it COULD be, after a stay in Cd. Juarez. Think of all the trouble you and I could get into, there...

 

@nosborne48 We could even make a movie there - "Grumpy Old Gringos?" You and I could be the new Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon. A comedy - we go to Cd. Juarez, have a few drinks and get in trouble for nothing at all. We get thrown in the juzgado and accidentally, the place gets unlocked and the prisoners all flee. We go along with them. They think we freed them - we didn't, but we're not about to tell them that. ... it's a start.

 

We have several threads about this. In general, it depends where you live. In some countries if the degree is granted by a University that is listed in the UNESCO (Whed) book, then degree is recognized. In the US, some foreign credential evaluators that are not members of NACES will give an equivalency so this might be enough for regular jobs (I know of Validential but there might be others). As foreign degree recognition is up to the employer in the US and Canada, it is hard to tell the aceptabiiity of propio degrees.
Official degrees are preferred over propio degrees but this last ones are acceptable for employment in many cases as long as they earned from a credible institution.
San Miguel or Azteca degrees that have no RVOE cannot be used most of the time in situations where the official degree is required such as work permits, immigration, university or academic employment, licenses and admission for graduate study among other situations.
I would think that the value depends on the individual. Some people think that a Validential equivalency for example might be enough to cover a Dr title that might be used in a non academic setting.

 

@Johann766 Looks like you were right. From his answer, I take it RFValve was talking about propios when he said "no official value." I thought he meant "no value at all" - he didn't. He just meant " no official standing" or "not official," -- i.e. propio. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

All the usual caveats re: propios remain and RFV recapped most of them.. These things are a minefield, but some like the exhilaration of broken-field running, evaluator-shopping etc. Some schools do very sketchy things, like that additional diploma from unaccredited NIU. Then again, so do one or two low-hanging evaluators, that issue meaningless degree-looking papers of their own, to make credentials with restrictions (or no standing at all) seem better to credulous people.

Bad schools and bad evaluators are two rackets, both feeding off the buyer of an iffy (or worse) degree. And very.very few of the people involved in buying or selling go to jail, these days. They used to...

I don't bother with propios. I just learn what I really have a purpose for and want to study. Degree credit? I don't care whether the course carries any or not. Recently I've done Nigerian Pidgin and Psychology of Women. I'm also following up my fashion course, by starting to learn sewing. I have a long course list to get through. One or two at a time. It doesn't cost that much. I can often get several for the price of a CLEA propio and they mean more to me. I like to learn to DO stuff. Courses with a purpose. My take is not for everybody I guess - and I'm OK with that.

I don't spend that much on courses. I mainly spend my money on Guitars and Watches. The rest I waste.

 

Social Capital Theory (Bourdieu):

You give: Money and academic achievement
You get: Education and degree.

Don't make a mistake and leave that last one behind.