Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think the student can lose. If there are thousands of diplomas in the market, employers might just think that they are not worth the paper regardless of accreditation. Some people expressed that they want to do 10 Masters from this school, imagine the perception of an employer with a CV with 10 masters from ENEB.
    I received an offer to upgrade my certificate to a Master for 160 USD, I was tempted but quite honest I dont think it would help me much. I would be cautious about filling your CV with cheap Masters degree from the same school.
     
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  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I've read similar concerns about the degree-stacking from competency-based programs like WGU. Even though people like us are aware of how independent study and competency-based programs work and allow an ambitious person to accelerate and earn more credentials in a much shorter amount of time than normal, most people aren't aware of how it works and will see it as a red flag. I've read a number of students of these types of programs purposely wait in order to pad the amount of time they were attending so as to not draw suspicions from employers on applications about their short start and end dates.
     
  3. Dustin

    Dustin Active Member

    Similar to this, I'm doing my Quantic MBA over 1 year and my Eastern MS over 2.5 years. Even though I could double up on my Eastern courses (by dropping several other commitments) in order to complete the MS in as short as 10 months, I think an employer would consider it a red flag that I completed 2 Master's within a year.
     
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  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is one objection I can get behind. Lots of schools have programs with overlapping requirements, but having a lot of degrees at the same level from the same school would stand out in an unhelpful way.
     
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think these are great options for self development but you are not going to impress people in a CV with so many masters from low profile schools. It is better to have one masters from a solid school that is well known (E.g. Cornell, University of Chicago) than 20 Masters from ENEB, Quantic, UoP, University of the people, Azteca, University of Central Nicaragua, etc.

    Prices from low profile schools keep dropping, at the end of the day it is not so expensive to open a school in Nicaragua or Spain and just automate education with Multiple choice exams and people grading essay assignments from India or Venezuela. It is a degree factory.

    These cheap options are great for someone that already has a solid education and just needs the extras to show up to date knowledge. I would just list them in a continuing education section and wouldnt call them masters degrees but just masters certificates so they pass as continuing education work. If your CV has a BS from Central Nicaragua and then 5 Masters from ENEB, it is not really going to be a good seller unless you have tons of good experience. If you have solid education and then 10 masters from ENEB, Azteca, etc in a continuing education section listed as masters certificates (Which really this is what they are), then they will be a plus.

    You can also put in your continuing education sections all these doctorates from Metaphysical, religious based, non-accredited, Indian schools of alternative medicine, etc. There is nothing unethical from saying that I earned a Doctorate certificate in Theology from an Unaccredited school if I earned it but dont put it on top of your MS in Electrical Engineering from a Good school.
     
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  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I missed that your Estern University degree is coming from a solid school. I would just put Quantic in my continuing education section and say what it is, a free online program for business administration.
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think ENEB does the same thing, they offer two masters for the price of one as they overlap more than 50% of the course work so I can get an MBA and a Master of Coaching with few more classes and 50 more bucks. So you easily end with 4 masters in few years and 500 bucks that it is the cost of one credit at a traditional US school. The employer would not believe 4 masters in few years and would just put your CV in the garbage. In particular if you live in South Dakota but you have 4 degrees from an online unranked Spanish school.
     
  8. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I have to hope no one is crazy enough to list that many master's degrees on their résumé, but stranger things have happened.

    If I were still pursuing degrees and I didn't have a master's already, I would be fine with listing one from this program. I can see situations where someone would do this on their way to a more well-known/ranked program if they were planning that in the future or if they had no future education plans and an already stable career track. If a person already has a Master's, I dunno, I suppose they could use this as a learning tool if the degree is in a different field or subdiscipline but may not list it just to avoid the optics of overkill.

    I have a friend in Toronto who did a master's program with ENEB and landed a higher-paying job in her field about 2 months ago. She plans to go into a master's program in a different subdiscipline soon, but she's already gotten way more mileage than she expected out of the one with ENEB and that's taking into account she only had moderate experience going in.
     
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  9. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    I am moving along in my MBA + MB International Trade from ENEB. I am spreading them out over 12+ months. As I approach completion on these two I will probably start work on the ENEB MB's that are IT-related.

    It's not like I would list a bunch of associate, bachelor, and master degrees on a resume. An IT job application would list a related AAS, BS, and MB Big Data and/or MB Digital Marketing & E-commerce. For a business management position I would list AA Biz Admin, BS Comp Sci, MBA, and perhaps the MB International Trade. Work history and skills would be tailored to the position as well. I would imagine that is the approach most people would take.
     
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  10. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    SpoonyNix, where did you get the BS Comp Sci? I would just submit an application with the BS Comp Sci and relevant Masters, having the AA or AAS would take up too much space. For most CV and Resume, I highly recommend 1 page each and to minimize everything - be compact and concise with your certs, degrees, and experience.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Good for her. This type of degrees are new so if I put in my cv "MBA, European Business school of Barcelona, Isabel 1". This gives a good impression overall.

    My point is that if I put in my CV "MBA, ENEB Master of Finance ENEB Master of HR ENEB Master of Coaching ENEB, PhD Azteca DBA Swiss Business School, PhD Central Nicaragua". This is going to look like a red flag. It looks like you completed 4 Masters degrees but in reality you probably completed extra five classes but they overlap with 3 degrees. I believe some of schools have triple or double doctorate programs with University of Central Nicaragua, Azteca, etc so one can end with 3 doctorates for the same price. For less than 10K, someone can end with 5 MAsters and 3 doctorates in a CV but this would look like you bought the degrees.

    Most employers wont ask you for an equivalency report like WES. This is mainly required for teaching and immigration visas, as these degrees are new not many would differentiate between propio and official degrees unless one requires a license.
     
  12. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I agree, that would look pretty crazy, lol. I can't remember the guy's name (maybe we discussed a few guys like this over the years), but he listed like 20+ degrees. He just kept transferring credits into same and lower degree levels with overlapping courses. To his credit, I think he did have one or two in totally different fields, but considering what he chose to do he might've benefited from a degree in psychology.
     
  13. Dustin

    Dustin Active Member

    Right, just to clarify, Eastern is an RA if unexceptional school located in Pennsylvania, while Quantic is NA and headquartered in DC. The tuition for this particular Eastern program is $10K, and I would pay $17K to go to Flatiron, $15K at Lambda or $13K to go to Berkeley's boot camp. This program is cheaper than all of those bootcamps - and because data science is still a field where your projects and skills matter more than your schooling, it will give me the foundation I need to pursue jobs in that area.

    The Quantic MBA is NA but it's just as valid as any other NA degree (which is to say, less than an RA degree but more than no degree at all.) Someone attending a no-name school in their area on a full-tuition scholarship is unlikely to refer to their program as a "free online program", and I won't either.

    I'm unlikely to list the Quantic MBA on a data science resume, just like I'm unlikely to list the Eastern degree on a resume for nonprofit leadership. I'll focus my resume to the credentials and experience that make the most sense.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I know this is quibblesome, but while it may not be as well accepted in academic circles, I disagree that means it's less valid.
     
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  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, just put your MBA in your pocket and take it out when you need to apply for a management position. With so many MBAs out there, it is just ice on the cake when you compete with someone that does not have one and you have one. However, in my experience, the low profile MBA has little impact when hiring managers but it cannot hurt.
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    There few dual doctorates out there, the Swiss Management center has a dual Doctorate with a Nicaraguan school:

    https://www.smcuniversity.com/programs-and-services/higher-education-programs/phds/phd-in-business-administration/

    Then you can get a third one from Azteca with their validation program:
    http://universidadazteca.net/grados_propios/degree_validation

    So you can end with 3 doctorates with one doctorate. Dr. Dr. Dr. You can even beat Rich Douglas that is only Dr. Dr.
     
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  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Heh. I haven't seen him around in a while. Maybe he's working on #3, or the micro university he was thinking about starting. Sounded pretty cool to me.
     
  18. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    I think at the end of the day, it is all about balance. Too much of any good thing is bad rather it is about degrees or experience. Many of the inexpensive and foreign degree options are just icing on the cake type degrees. They should not be used to build a cake or foundation by themselves.
     
  19. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    An earned degree is an earned degree rather accredited or unaccredited (excluding diploma mills) not to mention ranging from free to costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. I would mention the Quantic MBA in the same area of credentials as your other education degrees. For those doing an ENEB degree, I may include those under continuing education / certifications but may still be inclined to list them with my other accredited degrees as well despite not being an accredited Masters as a standalone degree. It is still considered a Masters degree. Some even suggest that a Google IT Support Professional certificate be listed in the degree section. There is really no right or wrong way to do it. It depends on the job which most in industry these days don't put too much emphasis on accreditation. As long as you meet the minimum qualifications to apply for the job, everything else is a plus. Even then, they will hire who they want regardless of the requirements and qualifications.
     
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  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I agree. I have completed unaccredited masters from Spanish companies in coaching, personal development, etc and have no problem listing them as continuing education.
    The only place where there is very negative opinions from unaccredited degrees is this forum due to collective obsession towards paper with official approval. In the real world either you know how to do the job or not. Most people expect you to have a first degree from a known school that they can relate to (local school or well known international school) and the rest is just personal improvement.
    Even for teaching opportunities, online schools do ask for transcripts and WES evaluations but most local schools that I have worked for have been through referrals and nobody have asked me even a copy of my diploma. They figure that if you have been able to get good course evaluations before you can get them again.

    The issue here is that we have a school that is very clever and designed programs with high level of overlap among different masters and very affordable. The idea is to sell volume but it is easy to end with 10 masters as all the subjects that they have are very good including PM, Business Intelligence, HR, etc.

    I really like ENEB's concept, I think the solutions is just to sell them as continuing education programs and Masters certificates with 30 US credits.
     

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