Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Garp, Jul 4, 2020.

  1. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I get that there would normally be fewer issues. But at the same time, given the insane price of education in the United States and the deep economic issues it's helped cause, and then how much the internet has opened the market up on a worldwide scale, it's understandable that people would seek foreign alternatives.

    I don't think this being 17 pages is anything more than an indication of a market unfamiliar with something and trying to better understand it. In fairness, we've had much larger threads with lots of confusion on education matters right here in America.
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  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    To be honest, it's not that complicated. But we're a haven for higher ed geeks here, so this is kind of what we do.
  3. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I remember someone (Neuhaus, maybe) making a comment on an unrelated thread to the effect of, "Most people don't have this accreditation hobby that we do", and how that might affect the way conversations happen here. We're much more likely to focus on the nuance or edge cases of a degree, while many people can't recognize an obviously fake degree on a resume.
  4. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    I can now understand why ENEB can't transfer into an official Masters at UI1. If this was the case, there would be no need to offer or certify a propio degree to begin with. ENEB is in WES database and is evaluated as a non-accredited Masters degree which when you understand non-accredited vs propio, the only time you can't progress with this type of degree is for entering a PhD, academic jobs, and government jobs. However, private industries and other businesses may accept them. So ENEB's evaluation status from WES in how this degree is recognized here in the US has identical limitations and usage for several opportunities as it does in Spain with it still being considered a legitimate and legal degree instead of a diploma mill.

    The Universidad Isabel I certification actually confuses the situation because the Master Propio is not official but comes from an accredited institution. This gives access to more intermediate qualifications (senior year undergraduate/first year graduate/transfer credit) with no accurate depiction of a degree.
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  5. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    FWIW, I have slowly been working on the ENEB program and am excited for the opportunity. I have so much going on right now that I likely won't earn the first master for several more months, and probably won't submit the final MBA coursework until the very end of this year for graduation in 2022. As for credential evaluation services, I don't give two *** about those. I get why people in this and the other forum are throwing around ideas and hacks, but the credentials satisfy me as is, no further eval needed.

    Also, although I presently live in the uSA, I DID NOT want to an MBA from a university here. I was looking into a handful of programs, and that included US schools, but for my goals an overseas programs makes far more sense.
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  6. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    I enjoy getting other people's perspective and opinions but at the end of the day all learning should be about personal development, not getting someone to validate your credentials and what they are worth since there is really no consensus anyway. As long as you are happy with your education, that's all that matters. ENEB is an intriguing program to say the least based the testimonials I am hearing.
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Exactly. I know two people (off this forum) doing them. One is doing the MBA, the other the Master of Project Management. Neither had the budget for programs with Western style pricing, and both say they're learning enough for the price that anything beyond that is gravy.

    In other words, in both cases it wasn't a choice between this or some costly American or British school, it was this or nothing. And for both of them, this has turned out to be much, much better than nothing.

    And that's why I rolled my eyes at that goalposts comment. They've always been the same here as they are about every other conversation about every school: if a program is the best one to help you reach your goals, then do it. If not, then don't.
  8. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    But realize that at the end of the day, you will have to deal with threads like this one - 18 pages and almost 350 messages thus far, and that you will have to constantly defend your decision to get such a mickey-mouse credential for the rest of your life.

    Best of all, you will have people like me laughing at you. Now and forever more. And you will know that we are laughing at you, not with you. And if at that point you feel like an inferior being, don't sweat it - it's because you are an inferior being.

    I remember the last time I had to defend having all regionally accredited degrees. Oh, wait - I never had to do that. Um, never mind. :D
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  9. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    Is that supposed to dissuade us from pursuing these credentials?

    So far, it seems to me that having people like you cackling at us is about as meaningful as Trump's tirades about being "the very best"
  10. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    If y'all know what's good for you, yes - absolutely.
    Considering my credentials, I have no problem with your whine. Especially since you do not even hold a bachelor's degree. Yet, I trust. But, my child, you've got a lot of catching up to be as qualified as I am. So I'm happy to say that I laugh at you, too. (Not really. I would normally laugh at you, but you're way too insignificant for that.) :D
  11. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    Considering your pompous attitude, perhaps you can tell why people are no longer interested in much of what you say. I'm glad you're secure in yourself, even if that security comes from naught more than a piece of paper.

    I would normally share my actual credentials, but you're far too irrelevant for that
  12. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Yes, but you will laugh at anyone, regardless of what they will or will not do. So, why bother?
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  13. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I did a master with Eneb. I had a WES’s evaluation as non accredited master degree.
  14. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    Are you satisfied with that evaluation? A non-accredited Master's degree here in the US has the same millage as a Master's Propio in Spain as far as being limited from careers in government, academia, and pursing a PhD. Whatever you can do with a Propio Masters in Spain can be done with a unaccredited (non diploma mill) Masters here in the US.
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  15. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    My first thought is that you'd never find a degree for that price in the US, so all else being equal you might as well take the cheaper program. More to that point - outside of perhaps WorldQuant University's Master of Financial Engineering I don't know of any other unaccredited programs that are not mills. Are there others that come to mind? I don't mean to sound snarky, I'm just curious what programs come to mind if someone says "unaccredited Masters"
  16. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    The Mises MA Austrian Economics may fit the bill.
    Also all universities in the USA prior to receiving accreditation :p
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  17. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Active Member

    Most people don't really know the difference between an unaccredited degree and a diploma mill. If this was a mill, it would have not gotten an evaluation from WES and would not have as many good reviews for the program. There have been some good reputable unaccredited schools. I have a Nations University degree that I don't bring up to the general public because it was earned while it was unaccredited but even during that time while it was unaccredited, some schools actually allowed transfer credit from them while they were still seeking accreditation. Plus, we must be mindful that most if not all schools start out non-accredited. WES evaluation of ENEB while refusing evaluation of several accredited universities in my opinion shows a stamp of approval for legitimacy of ENEB.
  18. pueblopicasso

    pueblopicasso Member

    I'll ignore the vitriole in this forum.

    What's anyone's take on this ENEB standing among the mass media? I see 2-3 big media names in there. ElPais and Financial Magazinie both are reputable media.

    Would be interesting if someone from Spain is here to share on ENEB's usefulness in the private business job market (because of the media's portrayal of it being a good business school).
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  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Originally from Spain. The propio degree is useful but it does not carry the same weight as an official degree. It also depends the school that is granting it, Isabel 1 is recognized but non ranked so it is pretty much at the bottom of the barrel.

    I completed a certificate with them. The program is useful for continuing education but I think something that is great for someone that already has an official masters degree and wants to top it up with some extra education.
    I just got a coupon for an ENEB degree for $160, the price keeps dropping. You get a great value for your money, an official Masters degree from a private school in Spain is at least 6K Euros so 130 Euros for a Master propio is good.

    I think that it might be worth it also if you are planning to transfer the credits to a Bachelors degree from the big 3. You are getting 30 US credits for 130 USD, this is a good deal.
  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I might have missed it in the thread but, I got the sense that the papers were being hand-graded and the program is mostly reading and paper-writing. Is that true? Given that they have tens of thousands of students, I wonder how they're doing that kind of volume on the low tuition fees they're charging.

    A few years ago (apparently 15 now that I've found the article) there was a controversy over a guy who figured out that longer SAT essays predict higher grades with 90% accuracy:

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