Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

Hunh. Weird. I've heard that the UK three year bachelor's degree is the equivalent of a U.S. Masters in the subject (though I don't know where that comes from) but I haven't seen the inverse before. Then again, I still claim that the U.S. J.D. is a graduate entry LL.B. so why not?

 

The UK 3 yr Bachelors often has more concentration in the major than US 4 year degrees (which have 2 years of major plus filler). Supposed to make US grads more well rounded because they have golfing and the history of basket weaving. One could argue that US students also go into university studies less well prepared.

 

Well, I wouldn't go THAT far. That was an informal observation in response to a question posed by John Bear to an admissions official. (John would be better positioned to provide the details.) It's not like that was the result of someone's analysis.

 

This is a severe warping of the concept of higher education in America. Our system is purposely based on the liberal arts. There is a lot of research--and tons of arguments both ways--about this. Reducing it to "golfing" or "basket-weaving." however, misses that mark entirely.

 

Of interest: when I was enrolled at Regents, they didn't accept PE credits in transfer. Acceptable to thousands of 4-year degree programs, unacceptable to Regents.

 

Good someone has posted an evaluation for one of the Universidad Isabel / ENEB degrees. I'm not pursuing this but have decided to enroll in UCN PhD program though. The ENEB would still be good for those who may not have a degree with this type of evaluation as a Bachelors degree.

To Maxwell, when doing these evaluations, do they ask for previous degree/certificates or just base it off this one degree being evaluated?

 

Won't work. I was told by ENEB that they won't enroll anybody into their Masters degree program without a Bachelors degree. I'm sure someone will pop up with an exception, but that was communicated to me as their official position.

Speaking from my own experiences, the evaluations have always been based on the one credential you submit for evaluation.

 

Someone just did. Me. I have no doubt that's what they said, but I believe we have at least one exception - a member here who has enrolled - and openly shared with us the fact (elsewhere) that he/she has an incomplete bachelor's. I don't think this person would hide it from ENEB - if he/she were asked.

From the credential evaluator's blog, referenced 14 pages back, on propios in general. : "However, universities offering titulo propio programs are free to set their own admission requirements and can accept students who may not have completed the entire first cycle of university studies."

Not contradicting you in any way, Max. Just agreeing - there are exceptions. How frequent - we may never know.

 

Yeah, I do remember reading something like that. I also read a review where a person claimed they were enrolled without any degree at all and that concerned me, that's what prompted me to ask ENEB about their position on this. The answer I got surprised me a bit because I've found a number of schools outside this part of the world to be a lot more flexible when it comes to this. I can only think of a few possibilities: 1. ENEB changed their position, 2. Some students fell through the cracks, 3. The person who answered had it wrong, 4. They allow students to enroll and then work their way through enrollments as time permits and then request documents (similar to what University of the People was doing when I was involved with them). #2 would worry me the most if it's happening, so I hope that's not the case.

 

Right. practically anything is possible. Best, I think, to assume your favourite possibility and hope some others never happen... until/unless they do.

 

Sounds like it could be 4. I spoke to one student that told me there is a form that pops up when you first enter the class portal where it asks you to submit your credentials for verification and evaluation. Another student told me she was able to bypass it somehow, but after she finished 3 or 4 classes she got an email asking her to submit her docs. How and why she bypassed the form is the question she never answered.

 

It may not have been an attempt at a sinister move on her part, it might've just been one of those forms you can cancel out of if your documents aren't ready to be submitted. It's reassuring that somebody did notice her missing documents and contacted her about it.

 

I had two evaluations done for the same foreign earned degree. One NACES evaluator simply examined the credential in question. No other documentation was required.

For the other NACES evaluator, their application form required listing all of my earned degrees and providing copies (electronically - diplomas and transcripts) of the prior degrees. The prior degrees were not evaluated but it seemed this firm wanted to make sure that the requesting individual (me in this case) did in fact meet the entry requirements for the degree being evaluated. So, at least from my experience, it seems the answer is "sometimes", lol.

 

PhD in Education. I've been enrolled for almost two months but have not started anything. Just paid the tuition.

 

Posts like yours are a great example of the usefulness of this board. Different views, different experiences. Even though the debates can be heated, we can learn something from the exchange of those differences. I know I have.

 

This forum and the different experiences of each of us just shows how diverse and unpredictable our academic endeavors can be. No matter our individual opinions, each of these degrees debated will benefit someone while having completely different outcomes for another. There is really no consensus on evaluations for foreign schools either. Even the most prestigious schools such as Princeton and Harvard may not be beneficial in terms of investment for some.

I wish we could enjoy our educational endeavors without having to focus so much on career goals though. I also wish there were more trade schools and entrepreneurship trainings in local areas.

 

Thanks Max. I have also learned a lot from this forum and do appreciate all who contribute their time and knowledge.