Manafort in trouble?

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree. I would expect them to try to go with someone who the base would be "exciting" enough that the Trumpistas will show up anyway, without totally alienating the independents in the center on whom a general election swings. I'm not sure who that person could be, though.
     
  2. major56

    major56 Active Member

    And bearing in mind this presidential campaign being merely the latest Trump self-interested venture … could you consider Trump just another RINO too? He darn sure is not a Republican—his history easily reveals that…
     
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    When I say RINO in regards to the Republican establishment, I mean people like Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and the rest who talk a good game, but have no stomach whatsoever to fight the Democrats on hot-button issues like the illegal alien invasion.

    Does that sound like Trump?
     
  4. major56

    major56 Active Member

    Are you certain that Trump is anymore a fighter /non-fighter than the examples you mention? What’s his measurable track record to date other than self-promotion /boastful talk? Heck Bruce … Trump’s no more a Republican or committed to its platform than I’m a Marxist.

    Trump is definitely a big time establishment member (of both the Democrat and Republican Party institutions—historically whatever it takes to advance his personal business interests). He has been pulling political strings (ancillary) in the background AND doing so for a very long time (crony capitalism). Don’t tell me he’s not both a politician and political insider simply because he’s never held public office. Trump is just not the commonly thought of orthodox model.

    P.S. I'm not discounting your disgust with the likes of Ryan and McConnell whatsoever. I fully concur. Trump's just not the solution IMO.
     
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  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Much the like the mantra of girls out on a Saturday night, the voters are pissed off enough that they're not looking for Mister Right, but rather Mister Right Now.

    And who can blame them? The difference is that the Democrats seem content to go with a pathological liar who's the target of a criminal investigation by the FBI.
     
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  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  7. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  9. Orly Dunstan

    Orly Dunstan New Member

    Didn't you predict the demise of the Republican Party a few years ago? There is no way the nominee will be anyone other than Trump.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You're arguing with someone who left the building a long time ago about something that already happened.
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Manafort goes to jail

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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    On the sentencing ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/judge-sends-paul-manafort-to-jail-pending-trial/index.html

    "I know a man who was never blue
    Now he lives in Cellblock Two
    I don't know just why he's blue
    Manafort, what'd you do?

    Manafort's back in jail again
    Manafort's back in jail again
    I don't know why, why he's blue
    Manafort, what'd you do?

    Went to the judge, dig man wail
    I'm here and I got Manafort's bail
    Judge said son, don't cha tell me no tale
    Manafort, he's gonna stay in jail

    Now, Manafort says man, you tried the best
    Man, I'm here gonna take a rest ..." (apologies to Jack Scott, 1938 - "Leroy" )
     
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  13. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    If the Russia investigation is a witch hunt like Trump says, they seem to be catching a lot of witches.
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    "Manafort in trouble" is the title of this thread. Clearly he's in big legal trouble with x indictments and a mountain of evidence against him. But his biggest troubles might not be legal. The whole narrative surrounding Manafort is that he owed Russian oligarchs tens of millions of dollars and took this position with the Trump campaign as a way to somehow pay it all back. His biggest problem now is that he still owes all that money. Now until recently he was under house arrest and so relatively safe inside his own home. But now he's in prison and that's not the best place to try to hide from a bunch of Russian thugs. Manafort's biggest problem may not be legal. It might be simply staying alive.
     
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  15. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, he is definitely in a precarious situation.
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    From Mr. Trump's Twitter account:

    "Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort ... Didn’t know Manafort was the head of the Mob. ....Very unfair!"
     
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  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    To me, Manafort is just about the least sympathetic person on Earth. Current POTUS one again demonstrates his... "unique" judgement. Then again, after praising NK's leader specifically for his skill at keeping the rubes in line, how low can one go?
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    True - all of it. But as far as "least sympathetic on Earth" goes, I think I'd vote for Andrei Chikatilo ahead of Manafort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo

    As someone about even with Manafort in the "least sympathetic" race, I might throw in Paul's own past client/protégé, Viktor Yanukovych. Красивий будинок, Віктор! (Nice house, Viktor!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence
     
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  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  20. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

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