Leftist Antifa calls for revolution: hangs Trump effigy

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Antifi blog:
    https://redguardsla.org/2018/05/02/the-masses-demand-revolution-our-task-is-to-give-that-to-them-our-fate-is-sealed-in-the-glory-of-this-condemnation/

    Full story:
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/la-antifa-group-hangs-trump-in-effigy-calls-for-revolutionary-violence-against-the-capitalist-state/
     
  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    I think that time may have quickly passed these squadristi by.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I'm pretty sure that advocating violent revolution is against the law. Hopefully it's approached from that perspective.
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Agreed, but the leftist seed of that evil is still there.
     
  5. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Yet is commonplace in some circles.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Equating Antifa with "the left" is as intellectually dishonest as equating Richard Spencer with "the right".

    But you knew that.
     
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  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Richard Spencer is fine with global socialism while Antifa demands it.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure it's in fact not against the law, unless it's something rather more specific than "advocating". First amendment and such.
    It does make you a weirdo, though. And a target for law enforcement and homeland security interest. So it's unwise and ill-informed, but not necessarily illegal. I mean, from the rally stage, Trump called on "Second Amendment" people to "deal with" an opposing candidate. This is arguably inciting a violent revolution, and is extremely unwise. Yet, he's not in jail, and unlikely to get there (at least not for that statement).
    And yeah, hanging effigies is tacky and exposes you as a political fringe (no matter which wing). Any fringe group doesn't usually have too many brainiacs in their ranks.
     
  9. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    SteveFoerster, please define who the "left" politically is, pray tell. The "left" is an arbitrary term. It is a way of encompassing Democrats, communists, socialists, Antifa and others who desperately want:
    • Governmental ownership and redistribution of all wealth to make it more fair [sic] for the poor.
    • Governmental provision of jobs, paychecks and healthcare for everyone.
    • Governmental censorship of all media outlets, websites and blogs that do not pass an arbitrary test of "political correctness" (as will be statutorily defined by the left, of course).
    • Governmental ownership of all firearms.
    And speaking of the Second Amendment, it's interesting that the founding fathers of the United States wanted the right [no pun intended] to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from "excessive governmental intrusion" into their personal lives, their wealth, their homes (quartering troops) and their pursuit of happiness. The founding fathers wanted the legal right to possess guns to protect themselves from the government -- and not just from the king of England. It's ironic, isn't it? Leftists want more government control, while the founding fathers of the United States want less governmental control. To achieve freedom from excessive governmental control, the founding fathers:
    • Intentionally divided the U.S. government into three separate branches (executive, legislative and judicial) to weaken it e.g. to "divide and conquer excessive government")
    • And to prevent any one branch from gaining excessive control over the people.
    The U.S. government was originally designed to be of the people, by the people and for the people, albeit it's grown disproportionately powerful in these latter days.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I could use a different boogeyman in his place if you genuinely missed my point.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    me again: Agreed, but the leftist seed of that evil is still there.

    Also me again: The "left" is an arbitrary term.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    actually, it is

    "Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

    Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

    Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction"

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385
     
  13. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Okay, then Richard Spencer is libertarian. If you, you know, define 'libertarian' kinda like this or that or something.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If you're claiming the opposite of leftist is libertarian then you're still missing the mark on purpose.
     
  15. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'm wondering if the "leftists" know that the "rightists" have lots of guns and ammunition?
     
  16. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    It certainly seems applicable to the Los Angeles group that was the subject of the OP:

    https://redguardsla.org/rgla-mlm-study-guide/

    These idiots wear their communist pose on their sleeves.

    That being said, I don't really know what "left" and "right" mean any more. The words seem to derive from 18th/19th century Europe (how the French parliamentary chamber was physically organized prior to the revolution?), became associated with the ideas of progress and "progressive" agendas (among those who simply assumed that a particular sort of political program as how history was inevitably fated to unfold) and got swept up by the Cold War and Marxist rhetoric.

    Today the whole dichotomy seems to be unraveling as the "left" has increasingly became the ideology of celebrities, the rich, government bureaucracies, the media and academic opinion leaders and trend setters (the "new establishment" in other words despite all the posturing (by habit seemingly) at being edgy, counter-cultural and alternative. All while the old "working class" that the "left" once championed is increasingly ridiculed, sneered at and dismissed. (Except by Trump... who actually listened to their concerns, spoke up for the forgotten people (the American middle class, once the heart and soul of the nation!) and won the 2016 election as a result.

    Trump is caricatured as "far right" for that reason. (Don't try to figure it out.)

    Today, I personally think that 'elitist' (the would-be neo-aristocrats) and 'populist' (the newly demoted 'little people') capture the contemporary Zeitgeist much better.
     
  17. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Of course they know.

    It fits right into the caricature that the coastal elites have of average Americans out in fly-over country. Dangerous violent rednecks, "bigots" and "racists" one and all.

    It's why there's such pressure to disarm law-abiding Americans and to repeal the Second Amendment. It's why the NRA is vilified so passionately.

    It's all based on fear, ultimately.
     
  18. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    That's never meant much except, for a time, in Europe. Find if you can where individual liberty is to be found on any line between right and left.
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Of course, using terms like "coastal elites" and generalizing what they all believe in an over-simplified way is similarly bigoted.
     
  20. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Over 90% of the MSM is owned by blue communistic elites who live in or near coastal cities. The communists believed they had the last election all locked up with HRC and their barrage of MSM reporting declared that she was a certain winner. However, the only correlation between HRC and being locked up is... prison.
     

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