Kennedy Western

If you don't want to be called an academic fraud for claiming a bogus degree that you claim is above reproach then the impetus is on you to stop being a fraud. Alternatively, if you wish that I wouldn't mention the fact that you're an academic fraud then if you didn't attack others or support academic fraud then I'd have no reason to mention the fact that you're a fraud.

Dr. Hayes, I really must thank you for this post. I enjoyed it immensely. I really wish you the best in your noble fight to save the Brown Teal, take care and please try to keep in mind that academic frauds can be nice and be well liked, they are just having issues with respect from their own selves and respect from others. They're "respect challenged".

 

Well Hayes, it seems you're taking a bit of a vacation from degreeinfo. I hope that you stick around at least a bit longer though because if you want to know my "qualifications then you'll have to scroll through my posting history. I've mentioned them all many times in the past. Of course, you knew that didn't you? After all, you stated explicitly that 99% of my postings should have been eliminated by the moderators. This clearly indicates that you've actually read everything I've posted. Rather flattering when you think about it. Oh yes, and I understand that you've decided not to allow anyone access to your dissertation. I can't say that I'm surprised by that however. I mean, even if there actually is a document that you call your dissertation, I'm quite certain that it would never be recognized as a dissertation by any reputable school. Please don't bother with the line about the ten pages of dissertation guidelines from your school. The simple fact that this "school" doesn't follow standard dissertation guidelines is just one of the many reasons that they are so disrespected. As for your calling yourself "Dr," I don't really care too much anymore. After you admitted that your PhD has no credibility it doesn't seem to matter too much. You can also call yourself a Maharaja, a Commodore, or the Ambassador from Tealville for all I care because we all now know that they are all equally true. I don't recommend that you spend your vacation on AED. If you can't survive here you'll never survive there. Perhaps collegehints.com is more your speed. Oh, and just as you reserve the right to return here at any time, so too do I reserve the right to raise these issues at any time.
Jack

 

fnhayes writes that K-WU degrees cannot be used in two states.

Would those two be WyomingCaliforniaIdahoHawaii and OregonNewJerseyMichiganNorthDakota, or perhaps two others?

 

Ah, the sorrow and the pity of it all. Just a few irksome thoughts on this and some other interrelated threads:

1) If you don't like the moderators' actions, take your business to Kinsel's.

2) If the moderators are taking your side, pissing and moaning about their lack of total subservience to you is graceless and reflects badly on you, not them.

3) I've read Dr Hayes' dissertation. It is pretty good. I know nothing about ducks, but the diss looked comparable in quality to many I've seen from RA schools. He was gracious enough to share it with me quite some time ago at my request. He was not paranoid about me seeing it and some other supplementary procedural material (proposal? outline? I forget what it was exactly). Had I written his diss, I would be proud of my accomplishment--regardless of the dubious outfit for which he wrote it. Would I be proud of my choice of that outfit, knowing what I now know? No, No, No. But the ill-choosing Hayes is a real scholar, and I am happy to call him Dr Hayes as a matter of courtesy, whatever my opinion of TC&U.

4) Dr Hayes is lapsing into hysterical ad hominem attacks which are truly unfortunate; they are no worse than the brutish self-righteous nitpicking by certain other poster(s?). His sudden defense of KW is utterly wrongheaded, it seems to me.

5) In short, guys, take a breather. Here's the facts, inter alia. Douglas was wronged. Moderators thought for themselves in response. Hayes did creditable work for his diss. Hayes' school is a joke. There are real bad guys out there. Everybody is piling on one another with a lot (notice that's two words) of name-calling and teddibly righteous indignation.

I wish all of you the best. I will not fight with any of you in response to what I have said. If the shoe fits, govern yourselves accordingly. If not, dismiss this as the rantings of an old buttinsky.

/s/ Your Carpathian uncle, Janko

p.s. Everything looks better through clean glasses--of tuica.

 

All right uncle, I'm willing to take a breather. I'm also willing to accept your assessment of Hayes' research. This is no bother to me as I've said several times before that his research was probably pretty good. I don't need to repeat the argument against, everyone already knows it. Everyone that is, except the newbie who's going to log on for the first time tomorrow. So I'll leave it up to you to explain to that newbie, and the one the day after, and the day after, why they should bother to get their degree from a decent school instead of a mill, especially since they can be addressed as "Dr" with the mill degree.
Good night all.
Jack

 

Exactly the response I was expecting.

 

Anyone who reads my points 3 and 4 should be pretty clear on my views of TC&U and KW.
If not, and if they care, they can search the site.

 

The original poster asserts that K-WU pays its admissions people on commission. The Univeristy of Phoenix does not pay its enrollment counselors a commission; they're on salary. The NCA would not allow it any other way. "Phoenix," btw.

 

The state of Wyoming makes it very clear that their authorization of Kennedy-Western most certainly does not constitute "approval." I don't see anything in K-W's literature that asserts otherwise.

Most decisions related to academics are made by people with degrees from accredited schools. What else would you expect?

 

Abraham Lincoln used to like to tell this riddle: "If you called a dog's tail a leg, how many legs would he have?" Most people answered "five," but Lincoln would say, "No, four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one."

Calling one's self a Ph.D. doesn't make it so when the degree comes from a fake school. It only makes one a liar and a fraud. Insisting that the degree is legitimate but doesn't matter doesn't change the lie or the fraud.

 

I love it. Thanks!

 

Cantsayname, I'm still hoping for a tidbit on the KWU test that is worth an AA degree. Does the thing exist? Has it ever been given? How many weeks worth of work is it? (or minutes?)

 

Unlce Janko,
Nicely said. Thank you.

 

Rich Douglas writes:

> The original poster asserts that K-WU pays its admissions
> people on commission.

Isn't that clear fact rather than just assertion? Or do you have some other interpretation of K-W's own statement that "A successful Admission Counselor can expect to earn an average of over $45,000 to $50,000 in their first year"? http://jobs.kw.edu/opportunities.asp

 

Dear Fnhayes (and Uncle), I feel that I can respect Fnhayes for his contribution to save the NZ Brown Teal and at the same time let him know that claiming a Ph.D. from a degree mill is academic fraud. I believe that people that Fnhayes meets in person are much more likely to keep silent about his claim to a bogus degree and will only laugh at him to themselves or behind his back. Even here on DegreeInfo where we're frequently accused of being RA bigots, nazis, etc. there was what I thought was a fair amount of tolerance shown Fnhayes for his academic fraud.

My view is that his academic fraud didn't really become a big issue until Fnhayes started actively defending academic fraud and started his attacks against DegreeInfo and some individuals here. I'm not claiming that Fnhayes's attacks were enough to violate this forum's TOS but when one lives in a glass house, it's unwise to throw rocks.

 

What attack?

I saw a defence.

Makes sense. Those with the biggest mouths squawk the loudest.

 

I imagine most frauds do a lot of defense. It comes with territory.

 

My understanding is that it is illegal to pay admissions staff on comission if the university is accredited. True of false?

Cheers,

Goerge

 

It is an assertion until supported. The anonymous poster provided none. Neither did you. Nowhere on that page does it mention--or even allude to--sales commissions. It mentions a possible earnings range, but that could be accomplished with salaries plus raises based upon performance--not quite the same thing. (I don't doubt K-WU employs a commissions-based compensation plan, but what's been offered hasn't established that.) No one wants to expose K-WU more than I do (except Bill), but let's stick to the things we can observe or verify, eh?

 

Which Bill could Rich be referring to?