Kennedy-Western lawsuit

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The other issue that Kirkland neglects to bring up is validity. If Wyoming gave out driver's licenses for $50 with no test or driving test, I bet Oregon would not honor their licenses. Since Wyoming is well known as a state of residence for degree mills, it is reasonable that Oregon not automatically accept unaccredited schools from Wyoming. Five multiple choice unproctored quizes and you too can be a college graduate!

 

This doesn't make sense by definition. Unconstitutional means that it goes against the constitution. You cannot pass laws that make other laws unconstitutional. An ammendment to the constitution would have to be passed to make existing constitutional laws unconstitutional.

Federal law rarely makes state laws null and void. Typically both laws co-exist and are enforced by different entities.

 

Altering my posts eh??? I never actually said that, but what I did say was that Federal law trumps state law.....

But since you made a point let me say that Abortion would be a good example... illegal in some states, federal law says it's unconstitutional to ban abortion so state laws are nullified...
you may not be able to pass a law that does that but you can clarify a law and do exactly that...

 

I don't think it's all that rare. A good example is the feds asserting that federal statutes trump state's attempts to legalize medical marajuana.

 

I would say that is very possible. Some people have 15 years experience, others one year of experience 15 times.

I've seen several people with a great deal of experience- at one job- have difficulties at another company simply because all the knowledge learned and subsequently practiced was too narrow.

I have no problem with portfolio assessment if it is wide enough.

 

Again, it seems you people like splitting hair. My position is that there are persons who have good knowledge which includes training, work experience and other forms of learning that makes them qualified.

If a person is not qualified, they are not qualified. Its not a case of just saying its 15 years only. It could be 6 years and also very good too.

The INS guideline seem very good for starts. As I said places like City and Guilds, does a system of validating that experience but based on competence not subject by subject..

It seem because people are so focus on St. Regis, they just cannot afford to accept experience for credit ideas. I think the reasoning is more emotional than what is practical..

 

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Oregon, like most states, simply doesn't exchange a driver's license issued in another state for one from the State of Oregon. Although a driver's license from another state may exempt an individual from having to take the behind-the-wheel drive test, he or she must still pass the driver license knowledge test.

Therefore, in the sense that a driver's license issued in one state cannot simply be exchanged for one from another without further validation, there really isn't complete equivalence or reciprocity.

If they can do it with driver's licenses, I don't see why a state can't do the same with schools or degrees.

 

Maybe I splitting hair, but if argue for degree is legit, for starts is idiomatic English help to usward. Good thing INS got no English proficiency test, making it would be harder to equate INS with accreditor. Also peoples do lotsa thing 15 year still no damn good at it. Like rationalizing KW. Only real thing KW stands for is Kitchener-Waterloo.

 

Hi Uncle Janko:

Your point makes no sense. English is not an issue here. If someone makes a mistake, it does not mean English is an issue. I think you illogical. I am not personally defending KW but I do believe there is no reason or good sense to discount experience based programs.

If you do it, please use practical explanation and good sense not based on your dislike of the concept.

Do you know what is a truly educated person?

 

You really are obtuse. You said exactly what I quoted in the first sentence in about the seventh paragraph. You repeat the same silly nonsense in the same post where you deny saying it!!

You are confusing the constitution with laws. They are two different things. In the above post you make the false statement, "federal law says it's unconstitutional to ban abortion so state laws are nullified". It is unconstitutional because the Supreme Court ruled in Rowe versus Wade that abortion was unconstitutional.

It is perfectly fine to not know everything in the world. No one can know everything. What one must learn to do is to understand when you understand something and when you don't. When you don't understand something then it is better ask questions and try to learn rather than making incorrect statements.

 

The feds can still have a law against use of marijuana and it doesn't mean that the states have to keep their laws against marijuana. All it would mean is that you couldn't be arrested for marijuana except by federal authorities. Your statement about "trumping laws" is not the way that it works.

To get the states to pass laws that the "feds" want, they usually associate the distribution of federal funds with the states passing the desired law. The US legislature doesn't pass laws that automaticly cause the passing of state laws.

I have forgotten what this is supposed to do with KWU suing the ODA. Would you mind reminding me? (Assuming that you bother even responding to this post.) Thanks

 

Hi Rich:

Now, I see that you agree with me that the process is the problem and not the concept.

As you say TESC process is recognized so nobody is calling them Diploma Mill here. I do not support a school that grants a degree without proper evaluation as I have said so many times.

Using the INS as an example, the process of evaluating someone is very strict and is mostly done by a real school anyway. Don't tell me if a school follows that process to offer degrees they are fraud.

An important point I want to clarify is that in most cases a person will not only have only experience, they will have some training courses, seminars and other means of learning.. The bottomline is that if the person has the competences there should be no problem.

If you ever get the chance to hire someone, you should hire them based on competence and ability which in most cases goes back to experience anyway.

 

These SRU people just don't get it. The business of education is full of legally operating degree mills.

Many reporters and other people have offered their SRU degree based solely on the fact that they declare their experience and education, not upon any proof of competency.

As this is the same way a 100 other degree mills operate, I miss the distinction.

 

I am not a SRU person anyway. It seem people here, have an illogical bias anyway..

Again, in the whole mix, a person should be qualified to get a degree wether its based on experience or sitting in a class room.

The lack of real professional recognition in the US does create these low standard approach but once there is a common designation that all persons can go after then the standards will improve.

I am sure there is a lot of sub standard 4 year schools too. What exactly is the point?

Somehow, I sense dishonesty in the way things are said on here.

 

!. SRU is NOT substandard it is an out and out degree mill and fraud!

2. Experience does NOT equal a degree! It may through accredited channels equal college credit.

3. There are effective and accredited methods for gaining credit from experience here in the U.S. That is what this board is all about!

4. What exactly is dishonest here Morleyl?! Again and again people here take time to explain how and why the U.S. system is working. I have yet to see you post any detailed problems or issues just insinuations. Why is that?

 

And there lies the problem. You have attempted to prove this dishonesty, but you have been shot down on every attempt. You have made wild accusations that are obviously untrue. You can provide no evidence of a legitimate process that you have used to reach this conclusion. You just "sense" it.

Apparently, this is the same way St. Regis awards degrees.

There is no evidence that they use any type of legitimate, accepted process to determine whether a person should be awarded a degree. Apparently they, like you, just "sense" it.

 

KW in Chronicle

The lawsuit has made the Chronicle of Higher Education:
"Unaccredited institution challenges Oregon's diploma-mill law in federal court." Subscribers only right now; if it becomes free, I'll post a link.

 

As I said earlier... I did not make the statement about constitutionality. That was posted by Gus, and I copied the quote... You should have notice that.....

You may think I'm obtuse (nice to see you can look up words in the dictionary), but you are a Moron... Our constitution may not be statutes, but it IS the law... Our HIGHEST law.

How has someone as dense and narrow minded as you survived this long?? I guess the degree mill you went to didn't help you much....

 

Grammar lesson for Bill: If you have to look a word up in the dictionary, you should always capitalize it.