Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    ANYTHING is better than talking about Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and all their little friends.
     
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  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I had to take a hiatus, for health reasons, from anything that required even a little bit of energy and focus, including this thread. I'm a little better now, so let's get cracking.

    I agree. It's wrong whether the stereotyping is positive or negative.

    Sure there is.

    On a case by case basis, it's also entirely irrelevant (see: Ecological Fallacy) as there is no fundamental difference between a person of one race and a person of another.

    Unlike with race, there is a fundamental difference between a person of one gender and a person of another, and the different experiences are going to be processed differently. It's an obvious reality, overwhelmingly supported by science, that didn't used to be offensive to state. I don't think there needs to be equal gender representation amongst the rich and powerful anymore than I think there needs to be equal gender representation in the homeless or prison populations. I don't care at all what ratio of what gender is in what position, as long as it occurs that way organically and not because there is drive to deliberately make it that way.

    I'm certainly not in favor of using the race and gender cards for the purpose of political posturing and/or as a trojan horse to distract from ulterior motives. Do we really need more people like AOC, Rashida Tlaib, and Maxine Waters who refuse to answer even mild disagreements and criticisms without playing the race and gender cards? Is refusing to deal honestly with anything that actually matters in the world, and strawmaning the concerns of the people who are actually affected by the political games that are being played by disingenuous bad actors, the way to progress in this country? I don't see it.

    Yes.

    We can't choose what happens to us, but we can choose how we respond to it. The only way to make progress towards equality is to not differentiate people based on immutable characteristics nor on shared group experiences, but to look at people as individuals. I find 'yay, diversity rah rah' to perfectly encapsulate exactly what I find wrong about wokeness, intersectionality, social justice, and every form of affirmative action. It's manufactured, patronizing, manipulative, objectifying and insulting. I'm not a collection of check boxes on a piece of paper. I don't want nor need anyone to celebrate my brown skin (olive at the moment, due to being stuck inside the past few weeks) or the fact that my ancestors were slaves. I'm none of the people who lived before me, nor am I any of the people that live around me and I shouldn't be categorized with them in any way for any reason. I would be angry and offended if any of my accomplishments in life were published as "Maniac Craniac, the first person of color to..." blah, blah, blah. It's undignified and dehumanizing.

    But that's just how my lived experiences have shaped my worldview.
     
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  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The meme joke is that Ted Cruz resembles the Zodiac Killer's police sketch. But given Cruz' fanatical obsession with both the death penalty and with preserving this not-always-great country's tradition of abhorrent discrimination against gay people, I find that to be an unnecessarily mean spirited slap in the face to the Zodiac Killer.

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  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Despite my best efforts, according to Johann, Canada will not repatriate Ted Cruz. Apparently even the Queen doesn't want him around!
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I feel that our main beefs with Rafael Eduardo Cruz are not exactly align, but it's OK; the guy is uniformly awful on most positions. "I do not like that man, Ted Cruz".
     
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  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Fundamental, no. Combined with environment, yes. If I had the magical power to populate the Supreme Court with the best person I can imagine (a copy of myself), I kind of suspect the nine of me would have a ton of gaps in our worldview and won't even be aware of them. Having an institution grow "organically (ha!), we'd have 9 elderly male Catholic or Episcopalian gentlemen of upper-class and upper-middle upbringing who went to Harvard and Yale Law. These are not necessarily "fundamentally" worse, individually, than KBJ (for argument's sake), but their world is not the rest of us' world - arguably even more than in the "9 Stanislavs" echo-chamber.

    There's nothing "organic" in society, especially if you throw money and power into the mix.
    I think gender representation amongst the rich and powerful would benefit from getting equall-er; I'm afraid there's no quick and "organic" way to do it that won't make things worse though (see "Revolution, Great October" in the Encyclopedia of Bad Ideas). Can fiddle at the margins though, like eg. how about making daycare more affordable (and other ideas like this from the Biden agenda)? Homeless and prison populations, well, these just need to get a lot smaller across the board.

    Gee, I thought you oppose reducing people to stereotypes? I don't have much of an opinion on Maxine Waters, but Congress would only be better if we had more of AOC and Tlaib - at the expense of Jim Jordans, Matt Gatesi, or Laurent Boeberts of the world. Also, expressing a political position that disagrees with you (or even is wrong) is not a moral failing. Eg. Mitt Romney is a relatively decent guy who's wrong on many of his positions.

     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Nope, she does not. Can't blame her.
     
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  8. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I am, and I did no such thing.

    I have no idea who those people are, but there are certainly gradations of badness in politics. On the issues we're discussing in this exchange, AOC, Waters, Tlaib and their ilk are among the most prevalent villains.

    Preaching to the choir. If AOC, Waters, Tlaib, Biden, Clinton, Booker, Harris, ad nauseum understood that, then maybe I'd just be calling them wrong instead of calling them villains.

    I think voter ID laws are sensible and that the claims of them being unduly prohibitive are unfounded. Does that make me a racist or a fascist? That's how the aforementioned crowd choose to frame it. No room for debate, just a power hungry political cult that's all too happy to manufacture further rifts in the social fabric, and hurt everyone in the process, just to score a political win.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Casting a politician who is mostly about wealth inequality, a disciple of Sanders, as an identity politics zealot is reducing a person to stereotypes. rather blatant, at that.


    Were you the one who designed these laws to "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision"? I didn't think so. Then it would make you wrong, and not necessarily a racist or a fascist. People who are designing these laws, and use people like you for cover? Yeah, they are both racist and at least to a degree, fascist.
    I was always dumbfounded by people who willingly identify with the "bucket of deplorables" definition. Why would you do such a thing?
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/15/528457693/supreme-court-declines-republican-bid-to-revive-north-carolina-voter-id-law

    They are also a bunch of satanic pedophile cultists, don't forget.
     
  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Wow, what a steaming pile of Orwellian newspeak.
    False attribution, strawman argument, ad hominem, guilt by association, false definition, non sequitur, genetic fallacy, fallacious appeal to consequence, unfounded assertion, question-begging epithet, poisoning the well fallacy. Back to your old tricks.
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes, that is what it was: trying to get you. To be expected from the kind of people who are prone to gaslight, patronize, tokenize, pander, self-aggrandize, scapegoat, propogandize (sic), manipulate and subject us all to a relentless onslaught of narcissistic abuse, while also all too happy to manufacture further rifts in the social fabric, and hurt everyone in the process, just to score a political win. Not to forget, tear the very fabric of space-time and bring the Universe to untimely gravitational collapse.
     
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  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    lol :emoji_laughing:
     

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