Jones International DBA

More than you think, you forget that there are people willing to take a pay cut just for the life style of a teacher. You also have those that want to immigrate to the US and know that a PhD/DBA might be the ticket to a green card if a tenure track is landed (assuming than the DL might help landing such position). You also have those looking for teaching jobs in high paying areas like the middle east, any accredited PhD from the US, Australia, Canada or the UK might do the job and the return of investment might be higher than the US. You also have those like me that get up to 6K of annual development funding that can be used towards the degree, you become less price sensitive if you are not the one paying for it.

 

At the NCU learner board and other private learner forums there is a lot of discussion about just doing that. Many of the NCU learners I have met are retired or going to be retired military. A decent number of them profess an interest to enter a tenure-track program once they earn their PhD. Guess they can afford to work for less. We have threads on age discrimination, DBA vs PhD and others all centering on the possibilities of full-time teaching. Personally I believe some of the people there are a bit naive.

Sadly, some people there tried to help others by pointing out degreeinfo as a place to learn more. Unfortunately, the trollish and immature behavior of some here had the learners reporting back that this fourm is a waste of time. What a shame.

Finally, I am in total agreement with you insofar as working for so little money. To each their own!

 

Touro University-International seems to think the 100% DL no classes non-AACSB PhD will work for teaching and research!

http://www.tourou.edu/cba/index.htm

 

I met at least one person with a PhD from NCU that is teaching full time a Devry for 60K a year. I believe that the PhD from NCU can help for full time teaching at a 4 year college like Devry or community college.

I have seen few full time teachers at Canadian Universities with a PhD from Capella. Not impossible but not so realistic.

I think that teaching full time at a community college or small college is a realistic goal for a PhD from NCU but so for most PhDs from unknown places.

 

I have absolutely no desire to seek a full-time tenure track position at a university; and there are many people who are probably in my boat as well. Obtaining a DBA will:

• Help to supplement income by teaching part-time online.
• Provide an alternative method of obtaining income, if I should become injured on-the-job as a cop.
• Career enhancement.
• Self-satisifaction -- although this has somewhat been sidelined, now that I've learned how difficult a dissertation is.

 

Unlike other DBA programs out there, both pure online and with short residencies, the JIU DBA seems to be organized like a full Ph.D. BA; look at the holding pattern for the completion of dissertation work in the mentoring, critique and extension course groupings...

Dave

 

I would be doing it for career enhancement and personal satisfaction. I know it is expensive but what the heck. I know people that think nothing of dropping $$$$ on vacations and toys.

No desire to teach at the college level but do enjoy giving training seminars and such.

Did not know you are a police officer. Hope you NEVER get injured on the job!

 

I like Thesis only DBA's like in Charles Sturt University, Australia.

http://www.csu.edu.au/courses/postgraduate/doctor_business/course_struct.html

You get a degree from a well established B&M school.
Degrees are equivalent to RA Degrees.

 

Outstanding point!!! People will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on new boats, new houses, new cars, expensive vacations -- and all those things degrade rather quickly (although real estate may be an exception) -- but a RA degree will stay with you forever, along with the earning potential that comes with it (over the course of a lifetime) and, as such, I see it as an extremely wise investment. The keyword here is "investment." If others will blow 25k or 50k on a new boat, then spending that same kind of money on an education is money well spent!!!

Me too!!! When I was younger, I would throw myself into any fight without fear and without injury. However, now that I'm starting to get older, my first thought is, "How can I successfully resolve this situation without incurring injury to myself?
a) let the suspect 'talk himself down'
b) wait for back-up
c) go hands-on with fistacuffs"

The fistacuffs isn't so easy anymore because I'm no longer invincible. But that's where a doctorate can come in handy. If I should sustain a long-term injury that precludes me from doing police work, then a doctorate would allow me to earn a reasonable living. I wouldn't get rich, but I'm not pursuing a doctorate to get rich.

 

I spend a lot of time in Southeast Florida. Take a ride down Collins Ave to South Beach any weekend.Money flowing like water! I rather spend the money on a degree of my choice, that is why I will look at all the DBA options before deciding. Cost is not an issue. What I learn, HOW I learn is. NCU was fine for the MBA but I want something different if I go the DBA route. Something that will incorporate all learning methods audio, visual, and kinaesthetic.

 

First of all, if I had it to do over again, knowing then what I know now, I would not have enrolled in a doctoral program. It's just way freaking too hard. Second of all, I would prefer a doctoral program with a lot more residency. Oh well, it's water passed the bridge now and I will hopefully finish by any means necessary.

 

Looks interesting. Does have a required residency which would be mandatory for me. How is a DM viewed in the corporate\academe world vs DBA?

 

That is why I will take my time to decide if I really want to do it. I am not concerned with financial as much as personal satisfaction ROI. If it helps to improve my quality of life then I may give it a try. Only thing I am sure of at this point is there must be some kind of residency involved.

 

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What is your distinction between "the degree and the source" on the one hand and "the track that leads to such a position" on the other?

 

Well, it does have coursework, but the coursework represents defined steps in the thesis / dissertation process. Still, the program looks very interesting.

Dave

 

This drifts from the original point, that a $50k DL doctorate is not designed to be a pathway to an assistant professorship. Purposely.

 

Yep. They don't understand that it isn't the credential that qualifies you, it is the apprenticeship nature of traditional doctoral programs that puts you on such a path. And that is what is missing from self-pay DL doctoral programs. It isn't "bias," it's "design."

 

Devry isn't exactly the kind of school we're talking about, nor is Capella.

I took a full-time job as a campus chair with UoP after earning my Ph.D., but again, that wasn't a traditional school with a traditional route.

With my experience and the Ph.D., I would have a better shot at becoming a university's president or provost than one of its assistant professors. (I've declined three dean positions thus far, for example, two at a traditional university with a nontraditional component.)