Is Textila American University an accredited University?

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  1. Ebenezer Esau

    Ebenezer Esau New Member

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  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    1) It would be best if you actually went back and read the entire thread because this information re the "accreditation" of this school has already been discussed.
    2)"I read it on the internet (Wikipedia no less) and so it must be true."
     
  3. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Wikipedia says: "Texila is registered with the National Accreditations Council of Guyana Higher Education Authority Ministry of Education, Zambia. The school has applied as of July 2015 for accreditation with the Caribbean Accreditation Authority for Education in Medicine and other Health Professions (CAAM-HP)."

    I'm not sure what Zambia has to do with anything. (Will a Texila medical degree qualify a graduate for a Zambian medical license? If so, that might be a good thing if you want to practice medicine there.)

    As far as I'm concerned, Texila just hurts its own credibility with these weird off-shore arrangements. Just meet CAAM-HP's requirements and get accredited by them, as Ross and St. Georges have done. Wikipedia says that Texila applied to CAAM-HP three years ago, but still don't appear on the list of schools that this accreditor has assessed. To their credit, CAAM-HP lists schools that they assessed and decided not to accredit.

    http://www.caam-hp.org/assessedprogrammes.html

    Nor is it recognized as acceptable by California's Medical Licensing Board. So it wouldn't qualify a graduate to practice medicine in my state (or in any of the other states that use California's list).

    http://www.mbc.ca.gov/Applicants/Medical_Schools/Schools_Recognized.aspx

    The only Guyana medical school that CAAM-HP and California both seem to recognize is the University of Guyana.
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    This is a standard practice in Spain. An accredited University has the legal right to grant a degree that is not within the scope of the accredited programs by the minister of education but these degrees cannot be used to practice legal protected professions such as medicine, psychology, etc.
    UNEM grants degrees under the same principle. UCN in a way doing a similar thing but Nicaragua does not make a difference between official vs not official recognized degrees like in Mexico and Costa Rica.
    The US has a similar situation, if I get a PhD in Psychology from Walden that is not APA accredited, it cannot be used to practice as a Psychologist but some people just want it for counseling or other non regulated professions.

    Recognition of foreign credentials is a complex process. In the US, WES will not provide an equivalency certificate for a PhD from UCN, Empresarial or Azteca but maybe another NACES approved institute would be willing to do it. In Canada, membership of the University in the International Association of Universities is considered enough to be considered recognized so it is possible that UCN, Empresarial or Azteca might work.

    The reality is that for practical purposes, the PhD from an unknown school in Latin America has limited use in Western Europe, US or Canada. I can see the benefit for adjunct career or non regulated self employed profession. A PhD in Psychology from UCN would work for you to become a member of a counseling association or to become a psychotherapist in Canada where more of the professionals in this field get training from private non degree granting institutions.

    I considered myself UCN, Empresarial or Azteca to be a school counselor. I can counsel part time at my University with this credential and make 20 to 30K extra a year so this would work for me for the little investment in this credential. Others might see a potential benefit as well for this.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Because it's leeeegal (I guess. RFValve says so.) - even if the degree has no standing. Shame on any University - Canadian or other - that pays anyone who has dubious degrees anything at all - and shame on those who "invest" - as they sometimes call it - in dubious paper. They do so usually for the sole purpose(s) of monetary return or status-seeking.

    "Maybe another NACES-approved institute would be willing to do it?" There are about 15. Which one? The degrees are proper or they're not. WES won't recognize them. Who will? "Maybe" doesn't count.
     
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Sure, you can ask the faculty member below that claims a NACES equivalency report for her UNEM degree:
    https://imc.wvu.edu/about/faculty/debra-davenport

    You might want to send a letter of complaint to the school that is paying her for her UNEM degree.

    There was another UCN degree holder that claimed a NACES report in this forum.

    You are very quick to judge, have you taken a degree at any of these schools to judge? Talking about bias against non American degrees. If it is an online school and non American, it must be garbage.
    I worked for more than one American online school and some of these programs just require you to pay, show up and get an A (if you do some work) or B (just for showing up) grade. The main challenge are not the courses but paying the high fees. I have not taken a courses at UCN, Azteca, etc to judge but I would consider them mainly for cost and getting some education that can be recognized for my purpose, any degree from an American for profit school is not less than 20K for a masters degree compared to the 5K from a UCN PhD. Again, it is to a degree to show up in an online profile as people like yourself would be bashing me left to right but to be able to apply for membership from a
    You might ask the faculty member below that claims a NACES report for UNEM

    https://imc.wvu.edu/about/faculty/debra-davenport

    Talking about bias against online for profit non american schools. I have received information from these schools and you are required to complete coursework, dissertation, defense, etc. None of the schools suggested that you would just purchase the degree.

    An online counseling course from a private school in Canada that leads to a certificate (not a degree) costs around 7 to 10 thousand dollars. A PhD from UCN costs less and has more utility as it can work also to become an adjunct.

    I am not suggesting that these schools are top ranked places but they have some utility for the price. A Walden PhD in Psychology is about 60K and it has about the same utility that UCN as it is not likely to get you hired as tenure track faculty due to its lack of APA accreditation.
     
  7. basrsu

    basrsu Member

    Actually, there are 20 NACES-approved organizations: http://www.naces.org/members.html

    Of the 20, I know for a fact that five will perform the regional-equivalency report on UCN--perhaps they all will (except for WES). The statement "The degrees are proper or they're not" shows naivete. There is much more to an equivalency decision, and the result is not so simple.
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    This is true but only to an extent. At last count 19 states required APA accreditation, less than half. For the rest you're ok as long as you pass whatever licensing exam exists in your state. Even if you live in one of the 19 states you can typically practice on the Masters level and boast of your RA PhD in Psychology. I have never heard of anyone having any real problem with this sort of an arrangement.
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    However complex the result, it will tell you what the degree is equivalent to (and you may deduce therefrom what it's not equivalent to). "Proper" refers to the holder's expectations. If (s)he hopes his/her degree is equivalent to an RA four-year bachelor's - and it is evaluated as that (or better), then it's "proper." I could have been clearer, I admit.

    UCN - I'd believe that NACES members would evaluate a degree from there. On-ground people have told us - it's a real school - and we've had a poster or two who's had good mileage in the US with a UCN degree. But a degree from UNEM, Texila or Azteca (one with no Reconocido, that is) could be WAY different. And PLEASE don't get me started on Universidad San Juan de la Cruz in Costa Rica. While we're talking about UNEM, here's a little tidbit from the past:

    "In 2013 the university was described by The Costa Rica Star as "infamous" for its involvement in several diploma mill allegations, in cases where students paid to receive degrees without following a course of study.[7] The university has awarded PhD degrees to people in Germany and the United States..." Still a fan?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Empresarial_de_Costa_Rica

    I'm far from against all non-American schools - Nor do I like all US ones. I think I've shown that in the past. There are good schools and unwonderful ones - lots of both, in most locales. However, an unrecognized degree is always just that - whether it's from Panama, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Latvia or Spider Breath, Idaho.

    Likely so. Nobody was talking about Spain (except RFValve) - but "own title" degrees, wherever issued, always carry less recognition than degrees which the school is duly accredited to grant. Sometimes, they carry none at all, especially abroad. UNEM especially has a reputation for granting degrees far above its CONESUP pay-grade, as I have previously pointed out.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I remember a multi-page thread on UNEM in another forum. I think it started as a marketing ploy by someone who worked for UNEM, not necessarily in Costa Rica. It didn't fare very well. I remember allegations that the school had somehow been hijacked and the Distance degrees were for a time being controlled by people in both Poland and Arizona. UNEM's checkered past was detailed. Claims were made by shills (and rebutted), including stuff about NACES recognition - that may have been correct ONLY for the three degrees authorized at the presumed-defunct prior version of the school.

    Full of many documented unpleasant details of this school's past, IIRC. And yes - reference to official records, not innuendo. You know which "other forum" I'm talking about - initials DD.
    Search term: "Universidad Empresarial."
     
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  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  12. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Extracts from the 2 links above:

    Texila University: "As a medical student, one has to look for the accreditation of the university."
    CAAM-HP: "Accreditation denied."

    That says it all.
     
  15. copper

    copper Active Member


    "That says it all".........not really and here is why. This medical school's physical presence and charter is in the South American country of Guyana. Hence it never should have applied for CAAM-HP accreditation in the first place since that particular organization reviews Caribbean medical schools.

    Years ago a foreign university perhaps in South Africa was accredited by the DETC. Was it necessary? Absolutely not! Simply icing on the cake.

    I would be more interested in Texila University's current country/national/regional accreditation and recognition. In addition, if I were interested in practicing medicine in the US, I would inquire directly with the ECFMG if the school has been evaluated. At present, it appears to be in the WDOMS with notes indicating acceptance by ECFMG. https://search.wdoms.org/home/SchoolDetail/F0002428
     
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  16. copper

    copper Active Member

    "CAAM-HP are described in Standards for the Accreditation of Medical, Dental, or Veterinary Schools or Degree Nursing Programmes in the Caribbean Community"

    https://www.caam-hp.org/accreditation

    Note: It is true that ECFMG will require medical schools to be appropriately reviewed and accredited in the near future for foreign graduates to apply for ECFMG certification.
     
  17. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    For the record, it was UNISA that was DETC accredited for a short while as was Deakin University (Australia).
     
  18. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I think that "accreditation denied" tells us that CAAM-HP judged that it didn't meet their standards. CAAM-HP standards are based on those of the American-Canadian LCME. Which suggests that schools that can't meet CAAM-HP standards don't meet the standards expected of US or Canadian medical schools either.

    CAAM-HP is a project of CARICOM, the Caribbean Community (an EU-like organization of small states in the greater 'Caribbean region'). Guyana is one of the four founding members of CARICOM (with Jamaica, Barbados and Trinidad). Today CARICOM has 15 members and extends from Belize in Central America, to Surinam in South America.

    13 of the 15 CARICOM members are signatories to the agreement establishing CAAM-HP. Guyana is is one of them.

    https://www.caam-hp.org/about

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Community

    In the case of countries like Guyana, CAAM-HP is the regional medical accreditor.

    In order to be licensed (they call it 'register') as a medical practitioner in Guyana, one needs to be a graduate of a medical school recognized by the Medical Council of Guyana. I haven't seen their list and don't know which schools the Medical Council recognizes.

    At the present time, the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) recognizes all medical schools recognized by the school's home country that qualify graduates to practice medicine in that country.

    But... ECFMG has long recognized that some countries out there effectively have no medical education standards at all and will recognize virtually anything. So... as of 2023 ECFMG will only recognize foreign medical schools that are accredited by an accreditor on a list maintained by the World Federation of Medical Education (WFME). (It seems to me that anyone contemplating enrolling in an off-shore medical school now might run up against that looming deadline.)

    https://www.ecfmg.org/accreditation/

    I would guess that's only until 2023 when the stronger rules take effect. Unless they become accredited by an WFME recognized accreditor.
     
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  19. copper

    copper Active Member

    Good catch! However, I see 7 operational medical schools in Guyana and only one medical school is accredited by CAAM-HP. Are they all worthless diploma mills? It doesn't make sense!

    Guyana American International School of Medicine Georgetown
    Guyana Georgetown American University School of Medicine Georgetown
    Guyana GreenHeart Medical University School of Medicine Georgetown
    Guyana Lincoln American University School of Medicine Kingston
    Guyana Rajiv Gandhi University of Science and Technology School of Medicine Georgetown
    Guyana Texila American University College of Medicine East Bank Demerara
    Guyana University of Guyana School of Medicine Georgetown CAAM-HP accredited
    https://search.wdoms.org/

    Perhaps the other schools have accreditation from another organization? Are they bound to obtain CAAM-HP accreditation?

    "
    The Recognition Programme was established in response to two primary concerns:

    • The existence of an accreditation system alone does not guarantee that the system will result in trustworthy decisions on the quality of programmes in medical education; this requires the accreditation system itself to operate in a robust, transparent and norm-referenced way.
    • The rapid expansion in the number of medical schools worldwide has created a growing market for accreditation, and some private firms and individual consultants now offer an accreditation service of little worth."https://wfme.org/accreditation/recognition-programme/
     
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  20. copper

    copper Active Member

    The simple fact is, the lion’s share of medical universities around the globe are state sponsored and will never seek accreditation that is acceptable to the ECFMG! Why? Because these governments invest millions into training local physicians and have zero desire to see them leave for greener pastures! Lack of an accreditation doesn’t necessarily conclude the school is substandard. More research is needed!
     
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