Ireland's Chief Science Advisor has bogus degree

Rod

It also has a long history of DL garbage among the authorized category. And a fair amount of it made it to the approved category.

I also suspect a lot of the" innovation and experimentation" was merely an act by the DL snake oil salesmen to disguise the shabbiness of the degree.

 

The CPPVE had to enforce and administer what they had. It was the legislature that created the situation, and it was the legislature that changed it.

 

Re: The ScD degree from SCUPS

Without doing the research--others might chime in--might there be a reason accredited schools don't offer this degree via DL?

Could you turn to overseas alternatives? Sounds like a technikon might be able to offer it.

The doctorate was the degree with the most rationale behind it when choosing an unaccredited school. This too, however, has changed mightily in the last 10 years. I guess one would have to balance the need for the degree with the limitations inherent in earning one from an unaccredited school. Again, this assumes there are no accredited alternatives.

 

FWD, your repeated invectives against a viable educational system are beginning to sound hyperbolic and trollish with very little to no substance behind your charges other than what you've apparently read here. Yes-CPU was closed by the State; Yes- PWU has had bad press and may have moved part of its operation to Hawaii and then closed there (not sure if they're one and the same school), Yes-KWU moved from CA to WY but may have still have some depts operating in CA. There may be a few others that need some attention. Nevertheless, there are 254 degree granting schools approved in CA. The known problem children represent about 1% of approved schools. Regionals have the same problem and are continually dealing with them. Also remember your rants concern the Authorized category, which was abolished over 15 years ago. Please take the time to understand what you are talking about before you denigrate a system that's been in place and essentially successful for the past 60 years. Also remember, that California is the 5th largest economy in the world (if it were a sovereign country), so there is substantial scope to any education system they approve.

I think this thread has had its day.

 

I reject your argument that 1% of RA schools are known to be "problem children". Especially since in this case, problem children means degree mills. The current California system for unaccredited higher education is a joke. They have known about PWU for years and still let them continue their diploma mill tactics. I reject your argument that the RA system has analogous problems.

The current California unaccredited school system is sick and is in severe need of a major legislative overall. I also categorically reject your insinuation that the pathetic unaccredited school system currently in California is at all representative of the true educational system within California. I believe that this system is one of the best in the world and it is misleading to argue that the unaccredited system is a significant part of the overall and excellent higher educational system that exists in California.

 

That's fine Bill, I guess you and FWD have much in common and a lot to talk about.

 

Perhaps. But perhaps not. I doubt, however, that it is your call.

 

Re: The ScD degree from SCUPS

Indiana State's PhD in Technology Management? http://web.indstate.edu/ConsortPhD/

Angela

 

The origins of the California approval system for postsecondary schools immediately follows WWII when the influx of returning GIs were overloading the State schools.


Perhaps. But perhaps not. I doubt, however, that it is your call. [/QUOTE]
With the preface "I think" it should have been clear that I voiced an opinion, which I still stand by.

 

the SCUPS, Doctor of Science (ScD) degree in Management of Engineering and Technology

Rich,

I haven't found any accredited schools offering this same degree.

Overseas neither. But I'll see what the "technikons" say over on the IT forum.

Thanks

 

Thank you, Angela

I checked out the program at Indiana State University and it looks good. Although it is not completely DL -- as it has a residency requirement:http://www.indstate.edu/consortphd/residency/requirements.html

 

Re: the SCUPS, Doctor of Science (ScD) degree in Management of Engineering and Technology

Uh, uh. A technikon is a polytechnical university awarding career-related degrees. Most (all?) are in Africa. The doctorate they award is the DTech.

 

Rod

But we are discussing DL schools. The "problem child" percentage goes up cosiderably among unnacred. approved DL schools.Anybody trying to earn a Calif.DL degree in the 80's (as I was) faced hundreds of these unnaccredited schools as options. So back then the percentage was even higher.

Rod

I don't think so when it comes to DL. Seems it has been largely unsuccessful as Rich has pointed out. There are far more time bombs out there than just CPU or PWU. Probably every Calif. approved/authorized DL degree that ever was has that potential. So given that I don't think talking about it will ever run it's course.

Why do I rant about a 15 year old situation? For the same reason people rant about an Irish boffin's (what in the world is a boffin?!) 11 year old degree. Or John Gray's 20 year old degree. It's an achievement that for better or worse lasts a lifetime.

 

Thanks, Rich

Should I have said, technikon "techs", " techies" or "technicians"?

 

What you meant to write was (likely): "I think I shall go to the Information Technology Forum and see if the technicians (or techies) know of any good distance learning technikons offering a DTech in Technology and Engineering Management."

 

Ted,

I would have likely never used the term “I shall” in that sentence. Too stuffy. Rather, I believe I would have preferred the expression “I will” in it‘s stead. Perhaps.

 

Re: Re: the SCUPS, Doctor of Science (ScD) degree in Management of Engineering and Technology

Ummm. I haven't actually checked but I believe that all the South African Technikons were swallowed up in the recent ZA university merger. To the best of my knowledge, there are no more DL Technikons. The programs still exist, it's just that they're not Technikon degrees.
Jack

 

What about "whilst" ?

 

Rich

Thank you for the clarification.

 

Going back to McSweeney....

According to Barry McSweeney's spokeswoman in the latest article on this subject, he obtained the PhD on the basis of "substantial research" and in the context of being head of a biotechnology research company.

His official cv shows that he obtained the PhD in 1994 from Pacific Western University in Biotechnology/Biochemistry.

Does anyone have any comments about his defence as set out above?