IPE Management School Paris

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Father Brown Riley, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    This thing has gone from a mystery to an enigma, back again - and now it's a full-blown conundrum. My suspicions were raised with the word Pôle - the only other time I've seen it in a University setting was in connection with Pôle Universitaire Euclide, an alternate name for Euclid University - a place of much controversy in these pages, that makes its home in either the Central African Republic, or a double-wide mobile home in California - take your pick. You may decide on both.

    Mintaru said:

    (1) The problem is this document does not prove that IPE degrees are recognized in Canada.
    Right - and neither does any other document I'm aware of.

    (2) IPE/PPA's English speaking programs are no Grande école programs.
    I didn't see that, but I'll take it on faith from Mintaru. If that's so (and I feel it likely is) then -- game over, methinks.

    So - there we have it. From "maybe acceptable" to "probably not." ....again.
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    And so at this point I'm tempted to invoke some version of the Levicoff Rule that says something like "If you've gone around and around a few times and are still unconvinced of the school's legitimacy, then why on earth would you invest your time and money in such a degree?" This is especially true in this case because the "degrees" offered are not unique or hard to find elsewhere.
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. I wouldn't. Où est le Dr Levicoff quand nous avons besoin de lui? (Where is Dr. Levicoff when we need him?) It's much like being offered a brand-new, emerging-nation-made car for oh - maybe $7,000. Tempting, but nobody can say for sure that it meets North American safety regs. And it probably can't be licensed in your state / my province for any number of reasons. Plus, no dealer network, no parts, nobody who knows how to fix it.

    The decision is pretty clear. And this degree costs what - 10,000 Euros? More? Now, it's suddenly REALLY clear!
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2019
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It takes three years of your valuable time to assemble it - then you can't drive it.
  5. Randy Lee

    Randy Lee New Member

    Any information on the France accreditation?
  6. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Yes. Lots of information. But we're not going to tell you. Because you're obviously too lazy to read the entire four pages of posts in this thread. Therefore, you do not deserve to know what you are asking. Have a wonderful day, and welcome to the forum. :)
  7. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    It's obvious that you don't know what a real grande école program is. (Just an observation, not meant as a critique.)

    Maybe you should first watch the video below. I am sure this is not the kind of Youtube video you usually watch, and a few parts of it even are 'mildly annoying'. (That stupid background music, for instance) However, the point is these two young women explain the difference between French universities and grand écoles, and I think they do a really good job.

    What is not fully clear in that video is the fact that a genuine grande école program virtually always requires the completion of the so-called classe préparatoire. There are very few exceptions from that rule and I know for sure these exceptions do not apply to English-speaking IPE programs.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2019
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Mintaru. A good lesson. I appreciate it.
  9. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

    Hi Dr Steve Levicoff, the legendary author of the famous book "Name It and Frame It?", it's an honor to have you weigh in here.

    Hi my other esteemed fellow forum members, here are some info on PPA and IPE that may help us in unraveling the mysteries:

    (1) On PPA:

    From the official web site of the Consulate General of France in Hong Kong & Macau.

    https://hongkong.consulfrance.org/Ranking-on-Bachelor-programs-2016-by-Le-Parisien-Etudiant we can see PPA's rankings

    (2) On IPE:

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandes_ecoles an article on Grandes Ecoles in the French education system, we can see that IPE Management School Paris is listed under the section on "Business schools (grandes ecoles de commerce)"

    (of course we should not take wikipedia entries as being accurate, however when such entries on wikipedia pages are properly referenced, they can be a source of good leads.... ).
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Mintaru never said these weren't Grandes Ecoles. He said the English-language programs under discussion weren't Grande Ecole programs. i.e. they don't fit the Grande Ecole requirements. Now I know what those requirements are, I have to agree with him.
  11. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

    I must admit I am not well-versed in matters relating to accreditation etc.... I just have a keen interest...

    Having said that, I came across several of the most recent developments:

    (1) self-accrediting institutions,

    (2) autonomous institutions,

    (3) transnational education (TNE)

    Attached below is a snapshot of a TNE report on France:


    The snapshot above has been extracted from a "Transnational education (TNE) data report" by GEANT.
    (GÉANT serves the research and education networking community in Europe, helping them to deliver innovative networks, technologies and services for research and education.)


    My view is that a number of UK, USA, Australian and European countries have been "exporting" their educational programs (starting from Bachelors to Masters to Doctoral degrees) pursuant to the fact that they are autonomous and self-accrediting in their "Home Countries"........... and when the "Host Countries" approve/authorize/accredit such "exported" degrees, then such programs are robust and genuine...... As per the highlighted portions in yellow above, France is now playing the catch-up game by customizing their French programs (which has thus far hamper expansion of French TNE programs) into English programs.
  12. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

    As for Mintaru's observation on the two years "preparatory classes for admission" to an Grandes Ecoles program - it is "usual", not always, and certainly not mandatory.
  13. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    You should read this: https://www.campusfrance.org/en/certification-labels-institutes-France

    From that website:
    The website of CEFDG is only available in French, unfortunately, but the point is IPE's English programs are not on CEFDG's list of recognized programs.

    Yes, there are exceptions, but these exceptions do not apply to English-speaking IPE programs. And the 'classes préparatoire' are mandatory for all prestigious Grande Ecole programs.
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  15. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

    Very enlightening indeed. Thank you
  16. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

  17. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Hmmmmm . . . I have to admit that I am not used to being referred to as a “legendary author.” Be that as it may . . .

    I notice that you, Ahmad, have been a member of DegreeInfo since October 16, 2018. However, you did not post to DI until September 3, 2019. In the past 27 days, you have posted 20 messages, all of which are solely in this thread on IPE.

    On the whole, this thread, currently at four pages, has many posts that are from new members, many of whom posted one-line questions without any significant substance.

    In light of your own posting history, I am compelled to ask at this point what, if any, role you play at IPE. In other words, are you personally connected to this school in some way, as a student, faculty member, administrator, or owner? Your posting history, which includes numerous internal documents in both French and English, would suggest that you have a direct connection to the school.

    I have no particular interest I business programs, nor in programs that are based in Europe. As a general principle, I wonder why U.S. students who have never been, nor will ever be, in Europe would even want to enroll in a French program. Moreover, I generally subscribe to the principle that if people are constantly compelled to ask whether a program is legitimate, then it is likely not legitimate.

    So, Ahmad, as a matter of disclosure, would you care to enlighten us as to your personal connection, if any, with IPE?
  18. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

    I am an investor and my associates have assigned me the duty to explore whether PPA/IPE programs can be a potential business to start. Hence the need to know more.......
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    And what are your findings?
  20. Ahmad Sabri Saad

    Ahmad Sabri Saad New Member

    I must say the jury is still out.......... will therefore just KIV and put it on back burner for now.........

    Hmmm.... IPE is all over the place, according to its website, it is in "The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Slovakia, Egypt, Bolivia, Malaysia and Myanmar." {IPE's DBA is in most of these countries, if not, certainly its MBA}

    A google search will show that IPE's MBA is in South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Uganda...... even in London and China

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