Iicse university

Here is another one www.HarveyMackayUniversity.com

 

Are they legal degrees?

They claim an address in Wilmington Delaware USA. And on their 'accreditation' page they say this:

"IICSE University, Inc. is a registered entity with the State Government of Delaware, United States of America, with U.S. Delaware Registration File number 5608078 and and official Registered School, pursuant to Sections A1.73 through A1.76, by the AUCW Laws."

http://www.iicseuniversity.org/recognition_status.html

I don't have a clue what "AUCW Laws" means. The registration file number appears to refer to an offshore business incorporation. The helpful link for verifying IICSE's registration with the State leads to the Department of Corporations corporate registry.

But Delaware state law says that

"2.1 ...no corporation or institution other than those authorized in Title 14 shall without first having received approval from the Department:

2.1.1 incorporate in Delaware with the power to confer degrees"

Where 'Title 14' refers to public higher education institutions in Delaware, and where 'the Department' means the Delaware Department of Education.

292 Post Secondary Institutions and Degree Granting Institutions of Higher Education

IICSE University does not appear to be recognized as a higher education institution by the Delaware Department of Education.

https://www.doe.k12.de.us/Page/1807

 

It is a company. It says that it is registered as such and it is. It does not claim to be recognized by the Delaware Department of Education. That would require a significant investment.

 

The difficulty there is the Delaware state law that appears to say that no corporation or institution may incorporate in Delaware with the power to confer degrees without having received approval by the Delaware Department of Education.

 

Actually there is a restriction on using the word [University] in the name of a company. It is allowed only in limited cases, which means they are allowed to confer degrees. But these are not accredited degrees, though this has nothing to do with their quality.

 

So your argument is that since they chose to use the name 'university' and nobody prevented them from registering themselves as an offshore corporation in Delaware, the degrees they award must be legally authorized and recognized in Delaware law?

Even when Delaware law explicitly says otherwise?

Try going to the same Delaware corporate registry search page that IICSE links to on its 'accreditation' page (url below) and typing in the word 'university' in the name field. There are hundreds of incorporated entities, most of them don't even purport to be universities at all. (Things like 'University Apartments')

https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/searchfilenumber.aspx

The issue isn't accreditation (which does concern quality and can't be dismissed as blithely as you are trying to dismiss it).

The issue is whether IICSE University is legally recognized by the State of Delaware as a Delaware higher education institution and whether it has any legal authorization by the State of Delaware to award academic degrees.

 

heirophant A university cafeteria is not a university. The names at https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/searchfilenumber.aspx refer to different university services or foundations or apartments, etc and this is a legitimate name. There is a restriction on the name [University] followed by Inc. You will not find many like this anywhere. I am not going to continue with this argument. Feel free to prove yourself right. If it was not allowed to function it wouldn't. The study materials of IICSE that I examined are quite good and this is enough for me.

 

This is bullshit and it's clear that you're just shilling for an unaccredited entity. The fact that you like the study materials is nice but it's meaningless in the larger world. It's an unaccredited school and there's no real reason to think their degrees have any value whatsoever.

 

You are entitled to your view. Many in this world disagree. There are many unaccredited schools which are good and useful and have been functioning for many years. In fact some of them call themselves "proudly unaccredited." The University of the People was conferring degrees long before it was accredited.

 

OK, name 20.

 

True. In the absence of accreditation, our problem is finding some reasonably objective criterion for identifying them.

My view is that alternative measures of academic credibility include a variety of things like faculty listings, syllabi, publications (and their quality), recognition by respected figures in the profession or in the subject area, research productivity, facilities, collaborations, and awards and grants won.

I think that it's very unusual, though not entirely unheard-of, for non-accredited schools to excel in these ways.

The main value of accreditation is for students who want other people (employers, licensing boards or whatever) to acknowledge their academic attainments. Basing things on the criteria I just mentioned (in brown above) all demand that people be familiar with the details of the schools in question. But there are thousands of schools out there, domestically and internationally. Most of them are quite unknown to most people. Accreditation tells us that somebody credible has looked at a particular school and that it survived the scrutiny.

 

I am not entering a personal challenge here. I don't have to go through this because there are so many registered universities in different states that are unaccredited. I have looked at many of them for years, make a search and you will find them all over the Internet. I am NOT here for the purpose of promoting unaccredited entities. I am FOR education, especially for low income people who cannot afford expensive colleges, given that accreditation is no guarantee of quality. See this https://www.goacta.org/publications/can_college_accreditation_live_up_to_its_promise

 

Well ... no drama here whatsoever, but I think maybe it's an appropriate time I did a Dr. Rich Douglas here, and left the DI battlefield.

Just stopped in to say goodbye. Thanks to all, and it's been a fun 8 years, but I think my usefulness (if I had any) here is over. I'll be very busy. If I want to do forums, (I'm not sure I do) there are guitar and harmonica forums, music forums of all genres, programming and operating system forums, photography forums - hey, there's even a Latin forum - and I might get along OK there. And learning - I want to become a full-stack JavaScript programmer and to know more about Python, including Django, the Python web-framework, named for the creativity it offers, after the famous Gypsy guitarist, Django Reinhardt. That, Islamic Finance, learning electronics and Polish will keep me busy. And I have a brand-new Linux laptop...

Steve Levicoff has said he expects the forum to fold in the next two years, after being reduced to a post-nuclear battlefield in the "War of Stanislav and Me Again." Try not to let that demise happen - please.

All the best!

J.

 

And yet it’s all you talk about. AFAIC you’re just here to shill for this unaccredited thing. Don’t imagine that you can do that without some pushback.

 

I agree. Don't be a stranger Johann! You will be missed.

 

I came to this forum to say a word of support for IICSE university, and some people assumed that promoting unaccredited schools is my mission in life. They are free to do so. While I respect the opinions of others, they don't stop me when I disagree with them nor do they diminish my self confidence one iota. Here is my position on college study: If you can afford the fees of good and accredited schools, then by all means go that path and you should. You may consider the good options provided by AsianStew if you want to save on your study. Here is a short link to his post

https://is.gd/saveonstudyfees

Though I don't think a great deal of accreditation and observe the tremendous changes going on in the the whole process and methodology of learning especially online learning, I still recommend well known schools because this can influence the opinions of many employers (not all of them any more) and to have an easier time if you wish to pursue your higher study at another school.

But if you have few options and your financial situation hinders you from pursuing your higher study, then IICSE university gives you a chance to learn and make use of their materials as much as you can. At $150 registration fee and then $50 per course for evaluation, this is affordable since you don't pay for books and a book alone can cost you $50 or more (sometimes up to $100 or more.) IICSE university has an admirable variety of specializations many of them are quite useful. I have seen their system from the inside and it is better than how things looks from the outside. Their website is not very professional but what does it matter. I am not talking to certain stubborn people around here, I am talking to the general readers of this forum because I know many people search the Internet for opinions and I want them to see my opinion. The University of the People is a better option without any doubt but they have just few specializations, though all of them are quite useful. If IICSE has the subject you are interested in and you cannot afford something better, go for it. This is my advice. From the very beginning I said I was talking about low income people but there are those here who only listen to themselves. No hard feelings though. I hope this will encourage the right people out there whom I know need this kind of advice. That's all.

 

Sure. Go for it. If you want to learn then you can go to the library and read books for free. You can take MOOCs for free and yes, you can take a class from some cheap unaccredited "school." But don't be surprised is no one respects that degree/cert. Don't be surprised if a prospective employer tosses your resume in the trash. Don't be surprised is NONE of the credits will transfer to a legitimate university. Go for it.

 

The degrees of IICSE have been used successfully in many places, whether you like it or not. You seem to be good at scoffing or undermining.. It is not your choice (luckily) how people treat those degrees but entirely theirs. I am not against MOOCS, on the contrary I love them. But there are less and less free ones, often just a 7 day free trial, and they don't have the full program of study like IICSE degrees. The world does not dance to your music, no matter how much you try to make it...

 

You're right about that. And you know what else is true? There are con men everywhere.