Grads say social media more important than salary

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Kizmet, Nov 10, 2011.

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  2. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    That's difficult for me to understand. Facebook more important than pay? How many employers actually are OK with employees poking around on Facebook when they are on the clock?
     
  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Poking around and missuing work time to play around on social sites is still a favorite HR ace in hole when dealing with a problematic employee.

    Whether a private or public employee, they (your employer) know what you are doing from your work computer folks. Don't think they don't. Why expose yourself to something so stupid!

    Abner
     
  4. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, and any good network stores logs. Moreover, many workplaces employ filtering devices such as Astaro that will not let you go to those places. I happen to be the person in charge of managing our Astaro unit and it is a pain in the....uh, neck.
     
  5. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I am pretty much live on Facebook, but I prefer salary over social media. If one job allows me to access Facebook at anytime, but salary only $85K...another job does not allow me to access any Internet, but pays me $100k. I would choose the one with $100K job. Following your friends' posts does not pay your bills.
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yes, I have read reports on how to retain the new younger generation entering the workforce. By and large, the focus seems to be on leisure and flexiblity. This generation is not willing to toil from sun up to sun down like their parents. Employers are having to become more creative.

    Abner
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    When they have kids of their own to feed, I expect most of them will change their minds.
     
  8. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    At some point, they will probably have no choice but to toil. Not many, except the highly privileged, have the option of little work and lots of play. I think that these young people will be in for a rude awakening someday.
     
  9. infosecsouth

    infosecsouth New Member

    I think the whole topic is irrelevant. This is really really obsolete thinking. Who cares what the company blocks or doesn't block on their dinosaur computers running XP?! Any millenial is going to have a smartphone or an ipad or some other cool device that has independent connections to the Internet. No corporate IT , or wires! required :)
     
  10. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I go to the grocery stores and see kids (employees) hiding in corners checking there iPhones (text or Facebook or whatever) all the time. If it was managing the store it would be simple - take out your phone and you go home.
     
  11. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    The problem with that is the fact that it is obvious when someone is on their personal device; as Randell said, they are hiding in a corner, or hunched down or doing other obvious moves to use their device. The posture of that activity is easy to distinguish, if you know what to look for. So it is much harder to hide what you are doing than when you are on a desk computer.
     
  12. MISin08

    MISin08 New Member

    It will be interesting to see how this attitude plays out. In my industry, having a job is the new work/life balance.

    Phillip
     
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Along those same lines, I get a Blackberry as a part of my job. I can use it for personal calls, texts, surfing, etc. This saves me lots of money and I don't have to hide in corners.
     
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  14. infosecsouth

    infosecsouth New Member

    I guess I may be out of touch.. I've never worked in an environment where that's an issue or anyone would actually be watching or micromanaging to that level. In the places I've worked, you are accountable for certain tasks and outcomes.. you can choose to spend all day on facebook, and as long as you're effective no one cares. If you're not effective, then they may use the logs and such to get rid of you though.

    I've never experienced a manager watching over my shoulder or asking me if that's a personal call or a job call.. the whole thing seems alien to me, kinda surreal actually.

    Then again, I've ONLY ever worked in IT. I guess we're different?
     
  15. keegan

    keegan New Member

    With employers encouraging employees to add their work email to their blackberry phones, how can they distinguish what they're checking at the moment they do ? Suppliers, customers and peers send scores of emails a day. IT depts. have no jurisdiction over personal phones...Maybe if it's a company phone, but that's pushing it. I know I checked both work and personal email/notifications at my former place of employment on the job in the open....and nobody knew...Muhuhahahaha !
     
  16. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    These kids are idiots if they think that being able to loaf around on the internet all day is more important than getting paid for what they produce at work.
     
  17. BrandeX

    BrandeX New Member

    Perhaps one day we will in fact see "internet addiction" classified as a genuine medical problem :)
    If employers shutdown down internet access, and employees start falling over on the floor and twitching unexplainable it just might happen!
    (Then big pharma wil sell some pills to fix you up!)
     
  18. infosecsouth

    infosecsouth New Member

    Besides, there's kindof a deal in IT... if you (employer) expect me (employee) to be willing to stay late at a moment's notice, be on-call 24x7x365, continously learn on my own time (and often on my own dime!), participate on maintenance windows at odd hours.. then you better not complain when I spend some time on facebook/linkedin/whatever, do some online shopping or catch up with family and friends.

    You intrude on my time, I intrude in yours. Seems fair. :)
     
  19. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Exactly.....if I take my dinner break in the station, I might use a department computer to check the sports scores on ESPN.com (keep in mind I'm on my break) but I don't visit any site of a personal nature that would require me to sign in, and I sure as hell don't use my city e-mail account for anything that isn't job-related.
     
  20. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Many of the aerospace companies I visit require cell phones of employees and visitors be checked in at the front desk (and sometimes lap top computers).
     

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