Governor Stupid looks into the abyss

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Gov. Abbott wants to arm the Texas State Guard to resist the federal authorities acting under the orders of the President and pursuant to a Supreme Court order. 25 GOP Governors indicate that they "stand with" Stupid. Right. They actually think they can disregard federal authority because they don't like Biden?

    We've been down this road with these states once before.
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile Trump is calling for MAGA truckers to converge on the Texas border and they, in turn, are promising to show up brandishing their guns and carrying out the will of Jesus Christ. At some point we're going to have to start treating treason for what it is.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. April 12, 1861 – April 9, 1865

    "In total, the war left between 620,000 and 750,000 soldiers dead, along with an undetermined number of civilian casualties, making the Civil War the deadliest military conflict in American history." (Google)
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I have a hard time thinking Jesus would brandish firearms. True, there's that sword and some guy's ear.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The governor cited the constitutional authority a state has to defend itself against invasion, as the surge of migrants arriving at the border continues.
    Republican governors in several states have backed him in his standoff against the federal government.
    The governor has spearheaded efforts by Republican-led border states to test the limits of the president's administration’s authority over immigration powers.

    It's clear that the migrants are not an invading army.

    "Anthony Michael Kreis, a constitutional law professor at Georgia State University, said the Texas governor’s language had “shades of Confederate rhetoric” and tested “the outer boundaries of state sovereignty” under the US constitution.
    Prof Kreis also noted that the use of the term invasion “to include all forms of immigration and asylum seeking” was a contortion of the law.
    He added: “People use the term very loosely, and probably too often, but I think here we really do have a brewing constitutional crisis in the making that needs resolution.”"
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I wish people weren't so mealy-mouthed. Abbott isn't testing the outer boundaries of state sovereignty, he's disregarding them. And treating asylum seekers as an invasion isn't a contortion of the law, it's breaking the law.
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Professor Kreis is correct. The right of a state to defend itself is temporary until the federal authority can take over. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, gives the Governor of Texas the right to interfere with federal functions let alone fire upon federal agents. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, gives the Governor of Texas the right to ignore a U.S. Supreme Court order.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    These are the same chuckleheads who fly the American flag everywhere and proclaim their patriotism to anyone within shouting distance. But let the federal government do something they don't like....
     
  9. Suss

    Suss Active Member

    Don't forget a more recent skirmish:

    Little Rock Arkansas, September 1957. President Eisenhower had to send the 101st Airborne Division to stop Governor Faubus from breaking the law by misusing the Arkansas National Guard against 9 kids trying to attend Central High School.

    President Biden might have to do something similar, if the Texas governor refuses to obey federal law and likewise misuses the Texas National Guard.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Here come Russians
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-putin-ally-says-destructive-145546348.html
    Top Putin ally says a 'destructive civil confrontation' could happen in the US over Texas border standoff
    • Dmitry Medvedev taunted the Biden administration over the escalating Texas border standoff.

    • He predicted a "destructive civil confrontation" and suggested Texas could become a separate country.

    • The border standoff has catapulted debates about how to handle migration into the spotlight.
    • -----
    ((Jihadists crossing the borders int o US))


    Not directly related, but Russians here as well:

    Pelosi urges FBI probe of Gaza ceasefire protests in US, suggests Russia links

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. House of Representatives Speaker leaving the page." data-wf-tooltip-position="bottom">Nancy Pelosi said on Sunday that she thinks some protests in the United States demanding a ceasefire in Gaza could be linked to Russia, and that the FBI should conduct a probe into their funding.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-urges-fbi-probe-gaza-161743123.html
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Suss, don't confuse the Texas National Guard and the Texas State Guard which is sort of a militia that's not subject to control by the President. Governor Stupid is talking about the latter exactly because it can't be placed in federal service. It also doesn't actually exist except as a creature of statute. Stupid would have to recruit, train and arm it all at State expense.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    He'd do it. I have no doubt. Recruits he could get instantly. "Attention all MAGAts." Most of 'Texas is armed already, especially Gov. Stugots' recruit base. And what's this about training? How much learning does mob mayhem take?

    Google: "Stugots is Italian mob slang lingo - Italian term that refers to the male genitalia. It is used to describe an idiot or a jerk. Stugots is also the name of Tony Soprano's boat on the HBO series The Sopranos."
     
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  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    He doesn't have the budget unless the Legislature gives him the money.

    There are a lot of Right Wing militia nuts who claim that they already have the weapons, equipment and supplies necessary to make war. Such people are living in a dystopian fantasyland. Unless you've worked in military logistics, as I have done, you probably have no real sense of the sheer size of the problem.

    Also, if you bring an armed but untrained mob together someone is likely to shoot. The Texas Militia would cease to exist in the ensuing fusillade. What "prepper" owns a tank? Or even a tank destroyer? Or the means to get either to the battleground? Or salvage and repair it if it gets damaged?
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    ( I learned the word around 1959 - when I was 16. I remembered it when I saw the Sopranos. That was a really nice boat! ) :)

    So it would soon be over. Let it be a lesson to any other lawless bunch of jerks who want to give it a try.
     
  15. Suss

    Suss Active Member

    Thanks for that clarification, nosborne48. My eyes didn't see "state guard" vs "national guard."
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The lesson of Vietnam and Afghanistan is that this argument is hubris.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is election year, every subject that can be blown out of proportions, and used politically to score points to gain votes will be in the news.
    Immigration will be one such topic, the border situation is part of it.
    But the question is why border states towns are equating the situation on the border with invasion, not in the language of legal terminology and constitution, but in the language of possibly overran border cities and communities, the crime etc.
    Are citizens of those towns, in their view hold Fed and State responsible for their situation and not believing in immigration reform legislation, simply asking to secure the borders using existing laws?

    Some frustration form law-abiding citizens in our days maybe inflated and even stereotyped, but they are there:
    • Some City Officials are placeholders. They want everything to be peaceful and harmonious. When the angry groups show up at meetings by the hundreds and make demands, they fold and give them what they want. No matter that it violates laws and rights of citizens being impacted: there’s nothing they can do (without having to confront the rioters, which they are loath to do!)
    • Law Enforcement is the same. Many put their lives on the line and protect us not knowing if they will return home after the work day, but some officers like to wear the uniform, including a firearm, the symbol of their police power. But they know to actually draw a firearm is to enter a bankrupting, career-ending legal nightmare! So increasingly many will not.
    Ask the residents - they will tell you, I'm not saying they are right but some relocate others:
    They feel basically have no choice but to band together and fight for rights themselves. They claim that no longer is there a “rule of law” to protect them.
    They see those that are used to the old dependency will howl “you are stooping to the level of the lawless!” But they ask, is there any choice?

    We or someone like me, on the other hand, are seen passive, and depend on the rule of law and law enforcement to protect us. But here’s the rub: there are groups seem like, that, take what they want according to their laws. They take over neighborhoods, disregard building codes. Harass and intimidate those who get in their way.
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, no, not really. In both Vietnam and Afghanistan the U.S. faced militaries who were well organized and supplied and had decades of combat experience. North Vietnam also received a great deal of material aid from the then Soviet Union.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Even so, Afghanistan was unsuccessful because we lost interest after twenty years. Vietnam we lost because we really had no reason to be there in the first place.
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I don't think Governor Stupid is doing more than grandstanding but this kind of thing is dangerous.
     

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