George Floyd

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, Jun 2, 2020.

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I regret not growing up in American culture here. In particular, I'd like to have a quote equivalent to the line from a Soviet movie" "I've chased you for three days horseback to tell you how much I DON'T care about you" (1978 romantic fantasy musical "Ordinary Miracle"). So. I'm at a loss.

    How about Mathew 7:12? Here's a standard for you. To your credit, you don't blaspheme by pretending to be a Christian; more that I can say about many other Conservatives.


    That's one of the biggest strawmen I've seen here in 18 years - and we had actual mill operators posting. The rest of your rant is an agenda-driven Gish Gallop; it's not productive to engage a Gish Galloper, so I'm sorry if I'll pass arguing with your treatises point-by-point.
     
  2. StevenKing

    StevenKing Member

    Respectfully, I was merely posting my disdain as it relates to Mr. Floyd. While the article you cite gives the passenger's position, the video I watched in this thread suggested some level of resisting.

    I am mortified that Mr. Floyd died. I am also mortified that people resist arrest and escalate issues.
     
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Respectfully, a person being slowly killed ove 8 and a half minutes will show "some level of resisting". Mr. Floyd is, even by your estimate, a crime victim. That's all.
     
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  4. StevenKing

    StevenKing Member

    Yes, I concur.
    I wasn't referring to the obvious murder of Mr. Floyd; instead, I am referring to the events that lead up to the first confrontation at his vehicle. What occurred then? Don't misunderstand, I do not think it the event is excusable - but, I still think Americans should learn to stop resisting the police.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Trolling? I've posted more than 12,000 times on this board. Trolling? Please. Why would I--or anyone--troll you? I can't imagine giving anyone on this board--especially a noob--that kind of negative thought and attention. Whatever for?

    I'm not mad about Floyd. I'm mad about it all. Sadly, it has continued even after that cop killed Floyd. But at least the public is finally reacting to it.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    She's not a noob, she's posted here for over eight years.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Quite right. I was thrown off by her behavior and attitude. On the other hand, she averages fewer than two posts per month, so it was hard to notice.

    Is it time, number of posts, or the quality of one's posts that gets rid of noob-ness? It seems hard to pin down.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    In the wake of what's going on right now, can you really not cut a little slack for an African-American might have trouble conforming to a strict standard of dispassionate discussion on this issue?
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps. I could also expect people to accept responsibility for their own posts, especially if they decide to call out someone else.
     
  10. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    I did that. I tried to explain how I meant what I wrote. I even told you I didn't think you were trying to be malicious. None of that was good enough for you.
     
  11. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    Oh my god. Just WHAT is your problem? Am I acting too uppity for you or something? How dare I call you out? That's your attitude right now. Like you're extra offended because I said something to you. I tried to exit this entire conversation, but you just won't let me. Every time you say something about me I'm going to reply. So, just drop it. It's not that serious... unless it is because of WHO it's coming from. I think that's your real problem and that's why you won't just let things BE.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Don't put words like "uppity" into my mouth. I never said--or implied--such a thing. What a horrible thing to say. You must be really evil. You're certainly disgusting. What a terrible thing. If you want to exit the conversation, why do you keep posting about it. I wasn't talking to you, yet you persist in calling me out. You are grotesque. If you persist, I'll continue. If you stop, fine. But you're the one keeping this going. And to imply that I would ever call--or even think of--someone as "uppity" reveals your truly dark heart.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Version 2:

    I object to being tacitly called a racist by implying I would think of someone as "uppity." I find that terribly offensive and would appreciate not having that directed towards me. Considering it was unilaterally offered--responding to a post I made to someone else--it was as gratuitous as it was harmful. Please stop.
     
  14. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    I find it remarkable that in my years here, people used to think that I was a hard-ass when it came to newbies. I don’t think that I could even hold a candle to Rich’s recent behavior. For someone with two doctorates, there seems to be only one thing that he does well: act like an ass.

    And for someone who purports to be liberal, Rich seems to excel at insulting persons of color. There is, indeed someone on this forum who is acting uppity, and it’s Rich himself.

    Rich whines that I have hassled him for “over 20 years.” Hell, yes. Because that’s how long he has been making an ass of himself. I find him not only to be obnoxious, but also embarrassing since he and I share a doctoral alma mater.

    In between his whining, “Two Doc Doug” doesn’t hesitate to shove his accomplishments down someone’s throat – witness his recent tirade again newbie Scott Eason in which he listed his entire litany of credentials in one post at https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/starting-college-at-40.57192/page-2#post-537683. The thread in which this appears is yet another example of Rich attacking a well-meaning and articulate newbie for no reason, then resorting to ad hominem insults and attempts to defend his despicable behavior.

    But, for those of us who have known Rich for 20 or more years (as he likes to remind me), we have watched him go through being a shill for a major degree mill, making inflated claims about his doctoral status, violating the board’s TOS at his convenience, showing no toleration for other people’s views, telling us how offended he is, and even getting banned from DI.

    Moreover, as Filmmaker2Be is finding out, Rich has the hang-up of always needing to get in the last word. He never learned the fine art of when to hang back and let something slide without comment.

    I used to think that if we ever had a contest for the title of “Biggest Asshole on the Forum,” I would win hands down. But now that I’m retired and Rich has taken over that spot, I have no doubt that he would win in a heartbeat.

    Almost universally, the people that Rich goes after are the good guys. And feigning ignorance about their board history merely shows that Rich is a lazy ass when it comes to research.
    Let’s see if I understand this . . . Rich seems to feel that because he has more than 20,000 posts and FIlmmaker2Be has only 180 posts in eight years that he’s better than she is.

    I respectfully disagree. To me, it shows that Filmmaker2Be has a life and that Rich has no life. We’re talking about a guy with two doctorates and numerous professional credentials who spends much of his time engaging in forum masturbation, not caring who he alienates along the way. That can only be described as pathetic.

    So face it, Rich. You’re uppity. You are, in fact, a worthless POS who thinks his shit doesn’t stink. But it does, Rich. It stinks to the high heavens – just like the rest of you.

    Moreover, this is not the first time Rich has gone after someone thinking they were a newbie when, in fact, they were well-established posters. That, of course, also makes him an ignoramus. And the fact that some of those users are persons of color also makes Rich a closet racist. No amount of his acting offended will change that – as they say in the law, res ipsa loquitur: the thing speaks for itself.

    Supposedly, Rich was going to take time off from his offensive behavior at DI:
    Well, that sure lasted. I guess that Rich couldn’t resist any opportunity he had to offend people. As I said, that’s pathetic.

    Even I decided to take a long break from this forum, hoping that I could leave the role of elder statesman (which I never wanted anyway) in Rich’s hands since he obviously has the qualifications for it. Who knew that he would go even farther off the wall than he ever had and manage to offend so many people along the way? He's also funny looking (you can see his photo at http://hrdstrategy.com).

    Well, it has, indeed, been over 20 years that I’ve been laughing at Rich, not with him. So I guess there’s no reason to stop now. Here’s a reminder to those who may be seeking more laughter that they can find it at the MIGS forum here on DI – it’s the bottom forum on the list at DI’s front page. And as much as it’s a history of my fun experiences busting a degree mill, it’s also a history of Rich making an ass of himself and blowing his own credibility. Truly funny stuff.

    And remember, Rich, as always – I’m laughing at you.

    Nice to see everyone – now, back to my retirement. And Filmmaker2Be, don’t stop kicking Rich’s ass – he deserves it. Think of it as a good deed - we're giving him something to whine about, and Rich loves to whine.
     
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  15. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    But that's not what I'm speaking to, and even with the stats you referenced being what they are, it still wouldn't in any way excuse unjustified murders of black people by police officers. I know that's not what you're saying, but honestly I've run into a lot of people in my lifetime who bring them up in this situation to justify it, so I have to address it the same way.

    What I'm speaking to is the point that people have watched a consistent lack of proper justice or justice at all when a black person is killed by a police officer (and other types of injustices) when it's not justifiable (and in the age of cameras being everywhere we have seen that scenario play out often enough now) for generations and this George Floyd situation was just the breaking point that brought the rioting. It also needs to be acknowledged that, yes, this country has a known and irrefutable history of police injustice against black people that goes back long before stats were being kept and everyone had a video camera to prove it. Have things improved? Sure, but is it still a serious enough problem that it should still be dealt with? Absolutely. Every injustice doesn't result to a murder either, so there is a lot to be worked on.

    I'm not confident at all that the vast majority of the police killings of black people are justifiable because there have been plenty of situations caught on camera that clearly weren't and yet they were ruled as such through a (sham) police investigation or other type of proceeding. We're dealing with human life after all, and given that, it's necessary to scrutinize this a little deeper than just accepting the final numbers written by the people who lived since the dead and those not in control don't get to write their history.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It still wouldn't in any way excuse unjustified murders of people by police officers. Everyones life maters.
    Some minorities have more runnings with the police than others and may have more problems with the police.
    Journal of Politics found that police officer were more likely to use lethal force on blacks, but that this "most likely driven by higher rates of police contact among African Americans rather than racial differences in the circumstances of the interaction and officer bias in the application of lethal force.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Same old Steve, same old obsession with me. It's weird, but it's reliable!
     
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  18. Filmmaker2Be

    Filmmaker2Be Active Member

    You were talking to me. I tried to exit the conversation and you told me, something akin to, that I shouldn't have posted in the first place. My post didn't need a reply, and if you had left it alone, we wouldn't be having this exchange. In case you don't "get it", I'm still replying here because you keep replying to me. YOU picked this fight with me. And, every time I've tried to end our back and forth you've found something new to be offended about to keep it going.

    So, yes, I think you intentionally picked this fight with me. I think you're upset about what's been happening lately and decided to take your frustrations out on me because I'm black. Maybe the fact that I'm a woman had something to do with that, too. I can't be sure, but I suspect it did. Let's see... Before I put my picture up you were okay. My picture goes up and suddenly you're following me around the forum being an ass to me. That's NOT a coincidence! So, yes, I called you out. And you did what all "I'm not racist" racists do -- you feigned innocence and tried to frame yourself as the victim and me as the villain and aggressor. But, everyone can clearly see that YOU CAME AFTER ME.

    My post noting that I realized that my emotions weren't stable enough to continue in this thread didn't warrant a reply. I only made the post because I had already started engaging in conversation with other posters and I didn't want to just abandon the thread and leave them wondering. Again, it didn't warrant an answer. But, you just HAD to give one, and a smart-ass one at that. If you had just exercised a little self-control, we wouldn't still be going at it. But, you just couldn't help yourself. I'm not the terrible person, you are. You're a bully! And, like all bullies, you can't handle it when you meet your match. So, if you want to go, we can go. But, I suggest you let things be and let this be over. Have a nice day.
     
  19. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Hi Folks -

    I fail to see what the difference is between an off-topic discussion and a political discussion given that this thread sits right in the middle based on the responses to date. However, here's my contribution.

    1. Killing anyone for any reason is not a good thing. Killing someone in the pursuit of an arrest due to using lethal force in an inappropriate way is worse, it's entirely avoidable. Once the person is down, shift to another restraint position.
    2. Protesting to change this culture of police brutality against African-Americans is a good thing and the only way anything really gets done or changes.
    3. Escalating a protest to a riot that destroys property and the general peace of an area is against the law. It doesn't matter who does it. It doesn't make things even, it just makes it worse for the underrepresented community.

    If you want to defund law-enforcement such that they don't have military-grade weapons and can't diffuse a rioting group; don't give them a reason to have the equipment in the first place. Personally, I don't think it's the job of the police to be the National Guard, and police aren't subject to the same safeguards and justice system that the military is.

    If folks don't want to risk death when being arrested, don't resist arrest. Better yet, don't commit crime. These are choices people are making in the moment, they're not good choices.
    If police departments don't want heightened risk of death to underrepresented communities, why don't we hire more people from those communities to police those communities?
    While we're at it, lets stop training police like warriors and telling them that they need to be ready to make life/death decisions every day with their weapons. Police do not have the same mission as war fighters and they shouldn't be trained like one. All it does is create an adversary in every interaction and that's not what our communities need.

    The above is intentionally avoiding the race issue aside from where points needed to be made in respect to it.

    Be well,
    ITJD.
     

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