Foreign Credential Evaluators

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by AsianStew, Aug 14, 2022.

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Bart Simpson did not originate the Spanish expression - but Bart, being Bart, probably knew the origin. It goes back to 1835 at least and is an expression of surprise at some unpleasant incident or news, e.g seeing a spider in the bathtub, or hearing bad news about someone's health - 'Ay caramba, that's serious!'

    The word "caramba" is a euphemism for "'carajo" (penis). :eek: I read that (appropriately, perhaps,) Ay, caramba!" were also Bart's first words when he saw his parents having sex.
     
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  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    When I contacted them about the MCA deal, they told me they don't even do that much. Something could have changed since then, but they were clear in telling me, no grades.

    Honestly, I think if I've ended up at CUFCE, I've really messed up, lol.
     
  3. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member


    I made a new forum post about GUST (Global School of Science and Technology) that uses CUFCU as a foreign credential evaluator as well as do cross-validation (dual, triple awards) schemes with Azteca, San Juan, and International European University in Ukraine to make their degrees equivalent to an official degree. They even have a partnership with Logos University International which is a state-approved/state-authorized ASIC accredited Christian school in Florida to award their own degrees based on coursework through GUST. ENEB could partner with Logos for the state-approve/state-authorized degree or even one or two of the state-approved business schools in California . Ironically, ENEB will be just fine without any type of validation scheme besides U Isabel I because they are already getting the accredited Masters equivalent from foreign credential evaluations above the quality of CUFCU.
     
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    You know I'm all for alternative paths. I'm with you on UCN as they have a history of RA evaluation in the United States. I'm with you on ENEB for the same reason. But, some of this stuff is just a stretch too far. Sometimes schools use ASIC when they already have legit accreditation and are looking for something that helps in the UK region with immigration matters, but then you have schools that aren't legitimately accredited and they post ASIC as if it's institutional accreditation to fool people, and to me a school that does that is automatically disqualified. That said, I see that Logos is ACSI accredited. ACSI is an unrecognized accreditor, recognized nowhere for any purpose.

    GUST using CUFCE isn't anything positive. They legally operate in the grayest of gray areas and are an absolute last resort place.

    I would avoid these associations like the plague.
     
  5. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    It's as if it is a desperation of them throwing everything they can against the wall with these partnerships with state-approved US degree programs and partially accredited (propio) foreign degrees through schools to make something stick for full recognition.
     
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  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    How do explain this to an employer? I have a degree that is issued by universities in Mexico, Costa Rica and Ukraine but accredited in the UK and state approved in Florida by a religious school but my degree is a DBA in Finance.

    Most people will just throw your CV in the garbage can. Doing a distance degree is already hard to explain to add the multiple countries with foreign accreditations and the religious school into the mix.
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    How do explain this to an employer? I have a degree that is issued by universities in Mexico, Costa Rica and Ukraine but accredited in the UK and state approved in Florida by a religious school but my degree is a DBA in Finance.

    Most people will just throw your CV in the garbage can. Doing a distance degree is already hard to explain to add the multiple countries with foreign accreditations and the religious school into the mix.
     
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  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I think the conversation rarely gets that far. I studied online at Athabasca University in Alberta while living in Ontario, nobody even realizes it's not an American school. Now that I have a Quantic MBA I've had employers mention it as an asset without realizing it's anything other than a brick and mortar school with an interesting name. I've explained to people that is an online degree who made the assumption that it was a local program.

    If I saw a degree from Global School of Science and Technology on someone's resume and didn't feel like digging in, I'd assume it's no different than the many schools of similar names around the world and move to the skills section of the resume.
     
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  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I agree. Employer: So you graduated from California University? Is this the one at Berkley? Applicant: No, this is a University that has a high school license but issues no degrees but foreign equivalent degrees, I really finished my degree in Ukraine by distance but the degree was issued by a University in Mexico but this one is not accredited in the US but this university has an agreement with a Nicaraguan school that is recognized by California University. So my degree is not an American degree but an equivalent American degree issued by a legitimate Nicaraguan University that accepted my education from Ukraine via a Mexican school. Now, can I get this VP position?
     
  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I really think the conversation would be more like this:

    Employer: I see you graduated from Global University of Science and Technology with an MBA. How was that experience?
    Me: It was great. The school is in Europe but I studied online because the tuition was really great and the program was in English.
    Employer: Great stuff, I did my MBA at Texas Tech. Moving on, tell me about a time when you had to deal with a really challenging client.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I am being sarcastic, the applicant can always say "My degree is from California University, it is a private state approved school" Employer "Cool, what are your salary expectations?".
    The CUFCE degree might work in situations where the degree is really only check mark but it will not fly when you apply for an academic position or other prestigious position where an accredited and prestigious degree is really needed.
    As it has a regular sounding name, most people will not even bother to ask for it unless it is a PhD but I can bet nobody would bother if it is a BA in History degree.
    The degree and transcript have an address, telephone number and email for validation. Most people will not even bother to check the school for a regular job.
     
  12. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    That was pretty funny, lol. You just know there is someone out there carrying a wild scenario like that.
     
  13. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    I agree with Dustin that the general population and employers likely won't care unless you decide to divulge all of that information about the relationships with the schools you are apart of. On the one end, it makes a good conversation piece. However, the employer would be like WTF with more than two partner university relationships. It really is about how your resume or CV looks holistically to an employer. The most judgemental people would be those who are well aware of these systems like us and higher education institutions. Many of the higher education employers can be fooled as well.
     
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  14. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Classic!

     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If a credential is used in an attempt to fool people -- then it is a fool's credential. Presenter and credential to be valued accordingly.
     
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    "All fool's credentials must be counter-signed by two witlesses." - Chief Evaluator.
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Not sure about this, the employer will wonder why you didn't go to a local school and decided to do your MBA at Global University of Science and Technology that is a school with no ranking and no credible accreditation (other than recognized by the wonderful CUFCE https://gust.education/recognition/ and top schools Azteca and San Juan de la cruz). The most common reaction is that the person was not capable of getting a GMAT score or simply was not willing to do the work for a local degree. It will not harm you but any head hunter or company that hires MBAs, they will not consider it equal to a local ranked MBA.
    Simple experiment, send your cv with an MBA from this school to Deloitte, PWC or any of these companies that hire MBAs and see how this MBA will do.
    All these credentials that are available of the internet that are low cost and low recognition, can be considered as continuing education but don't expect them to be a game changer in your professional career.

    If I were to do this credential, it would go in my continuing education section and will not call it MBA but Masters certificate just like the ENEB degrees.
     
  18. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    The whole point of this thread is that employers dont know to check.

    I've never heard anyone on the hiring panels I've been on say this, and many of them have online MBAs including from places that don't require the GMAT.

    That's like saying you didnt play real college basketball if you don't get into the NBA. Big4 consulting companies are notoriously elitist and look down on perfectly respectable state school degrees.

    Then you'd be lying. A degree is a degree. A certificate is a certificate. They are not comparable.
     
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  19. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I don't know about those. A lot of U.S. schools have dropped the GMAT, and the work part is unknown to the employer. I think it'll be the same with any other foreign degree that doesn't have a name brand attached that everyone knows like Oxford or something to that degree. Either the employer won't care, or they'll really care and have issues with foreign degrees in general.

    That is definitely true. But I think a person going this route has to know that going in.

    They still can be. We have to remember two key points:

    1. Only about 13% of people in the U.S. have a Master's of any kind, so having a legitimate one can make you stand out, it doesn't have to be from a top school.

    2. Not everyone is going for top jobs, and often times having any legit Master's for a good local job makes a difference.

    Then that wouldn't be telling the truth, and you'll jam yourself up anyway if they ask to see it and/or the foreign credential evaluation and immediately find that it's not a mere certificate, so now you'll have to explain why you did that and it's going to be weird. So between you and the other guy who didn't create that weird scenario, we know who they're most likely to hire.

    My take is, it's best to list things on your resume truthfully.
     
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  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Most ranked schools have the GMAT requirement. Again, if your MBA is just icing on the cake and you are applying for a customer service job. It wont really matter MBA or not so it is just considered extra.

    A two year MBA degree from a school like Mcgill or UoT is not going to compare with a 3 month MBA from ENEB. I am not lying as the MBA from ENEB is taking the same effort as a local school certificate in Management.

    I am talking about the Canadian market, this can change somewhere else. However, try an ENEB MBA in TO or Vancouver, and see if it gets you an interview with a top financial institution. It is obviously not the same.
     

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