European global university accreditation

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Othman, Dec 21, 2019.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    It seems like we've had a small flood of these schools that are schools but they're not really schools or they're accredited but it's a different kind of accreditation. It's a school through another school that has a different kind of accreditation through another source, a different source but don't worry, it's reallyreally good place and you should totally do it. It's alt-legit. It's all good. They say it themselves

    "...Paris is a private, independent higher education provider. EIU – Paris offers higher education programmes that are different from the French National Curricula and Programmes leading to French Government accredited university qualifications, which falls under the French Public Higher Education sector."

    But don't worry about it Dude because we're totally incorporated. Somewhere. Oh yeah, Paris. And Paris is cool. These are my alternative facts.

    Could I be wrong? Of course I could. Part of the problem with these sort of situations is that the murkiness never completely goes away. I'd like it if someone could convince me. Not just offer an explanation. The explanation is easy because all you need to do is throw together some alternative facts and you can convince 30% of the people just about anything. I mean, convince me. Because the way my mind works is this. If you've got a school that is murky and alt-legit then I assume that it's because you want it to be murky. Because you can make it work for you even if you can only get 30% of the people to believe it.
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  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Persons with degrees from private providers that don't have full recognition in France and not awarding French national degrees but their own format degrees have problems with recognition outside France.
  3. Helpful2013

    Helpful2013 Active Member

    I agree with the last two post by Kizmet and Lerner. Some of the gyrations necessary to give credence to some institutions or programs recently brought up at this forum amaze me. People need to realize that they are condemning themselves to a lifetime of defensive rhetoric of how they really truly did attend a real university… if only the listener will endure the tortured explanation.

    I have less problem with the institutions (more common in the past) that were completely unaccredited but credibly said, ‘look at the demonstrable rigor of our curriculum’ than those sporting dubious recognition.
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    VAE is not an institution. It is an in vivo examination process - Validation des Acquis de l'Expérience, that can result in a degree being awarded by a proper French university. It is also a process that has been abused by several less-than-wonderful schools, to award their meaningless degrees without study.

    I took a look at European International University's page and I am far from impressed, on the subject of accreditation. The only form of accreditation that the University appears to have is ASIC - which has no bearing on degree-granting. ASIC says as much on its website - that the school must rely on the degree-granting authority accorded by its country of origin. In this case, I'm guessing --- there is none. The school is also careful to display the logos of some good basic memberships - but basic membership and accreditation are two different things, as we have often seen before.
  5. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    Oh, yes, Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon, for example. Many years ago, Robert de Sorbon claimed recognition from Académie des Sciences in Mutsamudu, on Anjouan in the Comoro Islands. I may have asked the wrong people, but no one I asked where the academy was located had ever heard of it.
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I should amend this somewhat. It is relatively easy for a school that has a toe-hold in France to get permission to award perfectly legal degrees - and I'm sure EIU's degrees are legally issued, in France. But of what standing? I doubt they're equivalent to those of mainstream French Universities. I'd ask the Ministry, but my experience is that they ignore info requests from foreigners - even those who ask in reasonable French.

    I notice also the school is located in France but the operations HQ is in Bangkok. Nothing illegal about that, but it's not a confidence-builder, to me. Now a Thai-French amalgamation at the dinner-table? That might work pretty well.
  7. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Yes, the degrees are issued legally in France. However, I don't believe that the EIU degrees are "reconnu." Otherwise, the university would mention that important fact. I've described this sort of thing elsewhere;

    I once made an inquiry concerning the status of European Global School with Campus France in Poland. I believe that European International University has a comparable status in France. I am going to freely translate (from Polish to English) what a coordinator told me in response, as it may shed light on EIU:

    "Thank you for your inquiry, Sir. As you rightly noticed, European Global School is a French private institution. While it is recognized by the French Ministry, it does not have (on it's own) the right to grant Bachelor's, Master's, or Doctorate titles." These type of institutions can grant degrees in cooperation with French public institutions of higher education, or provide them under the authorization of local authorities that monitor the granting of degree titles. Before choosing a program at European Global School, you need to first send an inquiry to the recruiter at the school and ask the following question: Will the diploma given at the end of the program be "reconnu"? Such diplomas are then recognized in Poland. The coordinator of Campus France in Poland"
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Here's a pic of downtown Mutsamudu.

    Not a big place. Around 25,000 people. Start knocking on doors and I'm sure someone will know. :emoji_grinning:

    Failing that, you could always ask Prof. Christian Prade, aka Jean Noel Prade, aka John Thomas, the owner of Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon. He has a farmhouse somewhere in France, if I remember correctly - serves as the campus of his "school.". Here's something on him: Oh, dear, something about a fraud conviction in 2011. Oh yes, now I remember... big headline, at the time. "Prade goeth for a fall."
  9. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    Picture taken from the old citadel, built in the late 18th century. Interesting place, but the impressive stairs are rather dangerous when the rains are heavy.

    No, but the medina, the old city, is one of the best preserved of East and Southern Africa's so-called Swahili towns. And I can recommend the Café de la Poste, near the main market.
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I love your description. It seriously makes me want to be there!
  11. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    "European Global School is "est un etablissement prive d'enseignement superieur ouvert au titre du Code de l'Education - Decret du 25 janvier 1876 - Article L. 731-2, L. 731-3 et L. 731-4 sous le numero E 13-09" recognized as a private establishment of higher education in France with an official status from the French Ministry of Education to award Bachelors, Masters and PhD degrees."

    Does that mean the degrees are recognized by the French state :emoji_neutral_face: I don´t know.
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not necessarily. See tadj's post , reproduced below.
    Johann 666 "The Number Of the Beast.":p
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If I remember rightly, we had a legal "threat of the week" from a Clarence de La faide, back around 2009. Oh, yes, here it is. He signs himself "Conseiller juridique," no less. (Lawyer).

    Somebody wrote long ago that Clarence may be an alter ego of M. Jean Prade, who owns this Robert de Sorbon enterprise. M. De La faide also sent us a notice on the 5th Anniversary of the Robert de Sorbon enterprise 11 years ago.

    We have been going around the horn with de Sorbon almost since it commenced sixteen years ago.

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  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In France, it allowed to open and operate private education establishments. These education colleges don't award state national degrees. They award their own degrees.
    There are some private schools that achieved recognition and operate under the supervision of the major universities, and eventually, achieve accreditation.
    But there also other private colleges that award their own type of degrees. Such degrees usually don't have formal recognition but they are not illegal in France.
    As I mentioned many times in the past when my wife was studying for her Masters in Clinical Psychology a classmate which Masters's degree from France shared that her degree from France was not recognized in the US, so she was taking Masters's degree from the start. It was from some Ecole but I don't remember the name.
    There some prestigious private Ecoles that enjoy recognition, Grandes Ecoles are the elite education institutes that employ fierce competition towards admission. Most of these Grandes Ecoles are about the size of a university department and admit only a few hundred students each year. The most prestigious Grandes Ecoles are Ecole Polytechnique (called "X"), Ecole Normale Supérieure ("Normale Sup") and Ecole Nationale d'Administration ("ENA", a post-graduate college), And there are barely legal ones, or even bogus.
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  15. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, perhaps you do. What part of Germany do you live in? I'll be there on the next plane. :)

    Seriously, when you finish your thesis, even in a less-than-best case, I think your Universidad Isabel I degree will have far more recognition in Spain and elsewhere than ANY EIU degree will have - in France or anywhere else. So if I were you, I'd get to work on that thesis. If you think you need a nudge from behind -- well, OK, I'll bring my size 44s with me. We Canadians are quite familiar with Euro shoe sizes. :) We buy Italian and German shoes all the time - at least I do.
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Any business can award degrees, the question is what is the value?
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    As we've said several times - easy answer. If, in France, it's "reconnu" - i.e. State-recognized - lots of value. If not - very little value - quite possibly none.
    Same principle applies in many places where licensing is relatively easy. Panama, Switzerland etc. Same where licensing isn't quite so easy - same in Germany, same in US and Canada. Latvia, Kazakhstan - probably the same, who knows?

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