English-language Título Propio Degrees - Master Thread

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  1. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    This is one of Spain's big ones. Their propios require a thesis. Certain programs have clinical requirements for licensing but only if you live in Spain. Some programs are not available to all countries.

    Everything is in Spanish as you mentioned. No flexibility.
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I find that statement perplexing. Why do so many English-speaking people demand and expect the rest of the world to do everything in English, just for them? If I wanted to go to a school (distance or B&M) that was in, say, Japan, or Korea - I'd expect the first thing I'd have to do is learn Japanese or Korean. And more than "beginner."

    This monolingual mania borders on the irrational, among English-speakers, as I see it. I think America suffers from this insularity more than other English-speaking countries. We have it to quite an extent in Canada, too - but here it's mostly among older, and less-educated people. Among French-Canadians, militant monolingualism is quite common, but there it's Government-sponsored, legislated and encouraged. Language police etc. - they're dressed like French flics (cops) in the films of the 1950s. I think relief is on the way, though. There is an ever-growing number of well-educated, young québecois who are truly bilingual. It's a joy to hear their English or their French.

    It's common in much of the world, particularly Europe, for people to speak several languages - well. I'd like to see that happen here, but I won't, of course. A shame.
     
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  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Sometimes a couple of words can be taken as something much more and different than what they were intended.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    One encouraging note. Yesterday, I met an 88-year-old guy, English-Canadian and his wife in the mall. Dave (his name) told me, in clear, properly pronounced Spanish that he was taking Spanish at the local Community College. That afternoon, he'd also picked up a few words of Urdu from a mall employee who came from Pakistan. :)
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Apologize if offense caused. Not meant personally - the words just seemed emblematic of a widespread paradox. Looks like I spoke out of turn. Sorry to have done so. I stand by what I said, but that was, obviously in retrospect, nowhere near the best time to say it.
     
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  6. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    The UK is pretty bad about it, too. Oh, they teach foreign language in school more often than the US does, but both Brits and Americans have a reputation for going abroad and expecting everyone to speak only English. But it's a bit worse, in some ways, for the UK because you also sometimes hear about a Brit getting mad about someone speaking Welsh, Gaelic, or Scots... in their respective UK countries. Where the languages are native and official languages. That makes even less sense, IMO, than Americans getting mad about people speaking Spanish (or any other foreign language) in the US. Both are pretty bad, though.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    True - every word. I've heard quite few stories of British people holiday-making or even retiring to the countryside in South of France, expecting - and quite often getting - service and everything else in English. And I've read of "Anglo-Islands" that have developed in Mexico, to ensure visitors (and retirees) get everything they want in English. An unfortunate cultural diminution - and a side-eye tribute to the power of the American Dollar.

    Welsh and English are inimical to each other, based on more than language. Something to do with hundreds of years of oppressive British rule, starting with the Normans. More subtle today. There's a shopping centre just across the border in Wales. Parking officers can tell English cars by their license plates. They ticket them (expensively) for minor over-parking and leave the Welsh cars alone.

    Un ydym ni i gyd. (We are all one.) Just my take.
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's too general. I should have said "Many Welsh and English..." not including me. :)
     
  9. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

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  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I guess this is because ENEB (Spanish school), UCN and Azteca offer titulos propios in English. It is very attractive to get a legitimate masters for 400 euros. I have done courses in foreign languages with google translation and other tools. Most of these propio degrees are based on multiple choice questions and essay based assessments so it is feasible to pass them with the help of google translation.
     
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Cudoo has quite a few African languages on tap. I just checked - a dozen plus. I'm hoping to get something done there in Nigerian languages this year, as I have a new friend from Nigeria. Cudoo offers Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba - and yes - the indispensable and ultra-lively Nigerian Pidgin. https://cudoo.com/ How bodi? I dey fine. :)
     
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Just like the old days:

    "All multi- choice questions per DETC,
    Do all your packets and get your degree."
    :)

    Hey, I'm not knocking it. It worked then - it works now. Nil sub sole novum.
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    @RFValve I believe you know quite a bit about distance learning from Spanish-speaking countries other than Spain - e.g. Caribbean and South America. Any schools you know of, offering propio degrees or inexpensive distance learning, that you could share with us?
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The cheapest propio that I found was CLEA University (https://www.clea.edu.mx/portal/) in Mexico. You can get one for few hundred dollars. CLEA University is not much different than Isabel 1 in Spain as it is a recognized online Mexican school, it is way cheaper than Azteca that wants to charge few thousand dollars for their propio degrees.

    Masstercursos sells them for less than 200 euros. They have some IT, psychology and business degrees.

    https://www.masstercursos.com/

    If you want to transform these credits into an official degree. The best option is to get a top up masters degree from the UK that accepts ECTS credits like the school below, others are similar and offer MBA and other MSc programs. These official UK degrees are like 4K USD, so you can get a full official degree from less than 5K if you combine propio with an official UK degree.

    https://www.libt.co.uk/courses/masters/ma-in-business-and-computer-studies-top-up-university-of-portsmouth

    I personally completed a top up degree from the UK based on a distance diploma for an accounting UK association.
     
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  15. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    I did an MBA with masstercursos. They are very helpful, but regarding the course, well... it was nice, but let us just say that "Master" and "1600 hours" are a little exaggerated.
     
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  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I agree but many people here come just for cheap and accredited. This satisfied the requirements. It is 200 dlls, you cannot expect a Harvard MBA. Propios are not official but some UK schools take ECTS credits for top up Official Masters degrees.
    These are not official masters degrees but carry university credits. Technically they could be transferred to some school that might help you to get a degree.
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I did few DETC accredited courses. Yes, all multiple choice with some essay questions. There is not much difference with a propio cheap degree from a no name Spanish or Mexican University.
    These degrees are not going to be career changers but just might help some fill a gap in a CV. If I need a degree for that salesman or customer service position, the propio MBA might do the job but it is not going to help you to jump from customer service career to a CEO career with 200 dlls.
    It is also a Spanish or Mexican no name University so most people will just take it as you have some kind of education but will not take it as equivalent to a more solid local university with some ranking.
     
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  18. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

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  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is a very good price but UNIDEMA is not an official university. Isabel 1 and CLEA are official universities, it depends what you want but some people come here just to get a degree from a school that is recognized in a country.
     
  20. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    To the DEAC's credit, that's changed a lot over the years. Most of their schools no longer offer single courses and I can only think of two now (not sure if that's a good or bad thing though), most have moved to weekly schedules (also not convinced that's a good thing since learning styles and what works for the individual has some variation), and they all require lots of essay writing (schools like Nations have been known to go overboard with it).

    But there was a time when their schools really had a "course-in-a-box" approach as Rich has put it a number of times. They've mostly moved away from that and have become more comparable to the rest of the academic world in their setup.
     
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