Dope Smokin' Reefer Freaks, Pot Heads & Chokin' Tokin'

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  1. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Now that marijuana is legal in Washington State, perhaps this will give potential PhD candidates some data for their research proposals. :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
     
  2. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Or, it will decrease the amount of kids my own children will have to compete against for college admissions, job's, etc. Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    While I recommend inhaling, i don't recommend holding your breath. This relies completely on the federal government and it's willingness to look the other way. They might not. The record regarding medical marijuana has been spotty; there's no reason to think this will be any better. And I don't think the states in question will prevail in a legal battle. I'm no attorney, but I suspect that would amount to nullification, and the federal government isn't going to stand for that.
     
  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    1) I'm amused by the title of the thread. It sounds like the lyrics to a rap single composed by Abner. (No, I'm not suggesting that Abner plays MahJong, if you know what I mean. Yes, I expect Ted to ask me what I mean.)

    2) Smoking marijuana is stupid. I've never tried it and never will. It's not as stupid, howevit, as the hysteria over it. I wouldn't invite my neighbors to light up in my apartment, but as long as he keeps his brain-cell killing cancer sticks to himself, I have better things to do with my time and energy than to publicly outcry over it.

    I worry more about the other stuff people are doing. Months ago, a meth head killed multiple people in a neighborhood pharmacy in NY just so he could steal a day's worth of pills to help him forget about his lack of meth. "Bath salt" users are eating off people's faces. LSD is permanently contorting neurotransmitter balances in people too yong and stupid to realize that the damage is real and cannot be reversed.
     
  5. rajendersingh60

    rajendersingh60 New Member

    i would only say in few words please dont try this once addicted to it you will come out of the hell of this marijuana. and will invite your death towards you.
     
  6. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Then my objective in starting this thread has been accomplished; namely, to evoke a smile from someone. :smokin:
     
  7. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    If I read the new constitutional ballot questions right the states will not bother to enforce laws for low level use and for producing and selling it under a state license in one case. Seems to me the Feds can go in and bust up this but not get any state help this means likely private users are safe they can't police someone with a joint but they could go after the suppliers, just on their own.

    Reminds me of Prohibition and what killed that if everyone decides to decriminalize pot it will be on the Feds only to crack down and there are more destructive drugs the Feds and the states do agree need to be dealt with.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Then alcohol--the most popular drug out there--is insane. Tens of thousands of highway deaths every year. The largest cause of preventable disease. And how about the violence? Despite the removal of Prohibition--thus eliminating organized crime as a source of alcohol-related violence--alcohol is a major contributor to violent crimes and deaths. Marijuana does almost none of this.

    Marijuana has always been a pharmaceutical issue, politicized into a criminal one. And alcohol soooooo outperforms it as a gateway drug--gateway to violence, other drug use, and traffic deaths.

    The only real problems with marijuana are (1) second-hand smoke bothering people and (2) measuring inebriation for traffic purposes. Oh, and because it's easy to grow (try getting it NOT to grow!), the supply can't be controlled like coffee, alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs. Legalize it and most people wouldn't even bother to do that: they'd just buy it.
     
  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Hmm ... what do you mean?
     
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, smoking tobacco and overweight/obesity absolutely dwarf alcohol use as far as prevention of death;

    http://www.csdp.org/research/1238.pdf

    As for marijuana, my opinion is to legalize it, tax the absolute crap out of it, and make it available for 21+ adults at the local convenience store. The courts don't do anything when someone is criminally charged anyway, so we might as well get some tax revenue from people's stupidity and put an end to this "medical marijuana" foolishness.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Bruce is dead-on; alcohol is third behind tobacco and obesity. But it is the first drug-related cause, which was my poorly-state meaning.

    I also agree with Bruce's recommendations on legalization, taxation, and the hypocrisy of a large amount of the medical marijuana scene. (I do believe it provides relief for some people in chronic--get it?--pain and it helps prevent weight loss in wasting patients.

    I don't agree that using it is "stupidity," but that doesn't make me right or Bruce (or anyone else) wrong. Just differing points of view.

    (n.b.: I'm not a user of marijuana myself; I just don't see the harm. At least not to the point of prohibition.)
     
  12. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Marijuana was also legalized by voters in the state of Colorado. However all the state universities are prohibiting its use on campus because they do not want to lose federal funds. But it is OK to carry a gun on campus.
     
  13. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator Staff Member

    My opinion is that given what we know about the health risks associated with smoking *anything*, be it tobacco, marijuana, crack cocaine, or crystal meth, someone who smokes anything is not displaying good common sense, which is often mutually exclusive from intelligence, so shame on me for not clarifying the difference.

    And for the record, my wife doesn't display good common sense, since she smokes cigarettes.

    Oh, and also for the record, I don't and won't smoke marijuana, regardless of the law. I hate smoke of all kinds.
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, I agree - smoking marijuana is generally stupid. A stupid thing I haven't personally done in oh-- more than 30 years anyway. I'd make an exception where medical use is concerned. If people who are sick with specific diseases believe it works for them, it probably does. I think it's OK to tax people for stupidity. Our lotteries and casinos function as a tax on imbeciles -- and they're Government-run, in Canada. (And of course there are the horrifying incidences of gambling addiction, as one would expect.)

    And yes again -smoking cigarettes is even stupider, because it's 'way more likely to cause premature death - even among non-smokers. I'm told second-hand smoke kills about 3,000 non-smoking Canadians a year. Here, we have an additional problem. Half the cigarettes smoked in the province of Ontario are untaxed - they come (illegally) from Native Reserves. The Government and police seem powerless to prevent this flood. These illegal smokes sell for $20-odd for 200, compared to - I think - $80 to $90 for 200 "legal" cigarettes from a store. Most smokers know (and deal with) a "runner."

    Taxes, no matter how high, have never diminished - or paid for - the death and disease caused by tobacco. 100 years from now, I'm sure people will wonder why we ever smoked. (I quit 35 years ago last Oct.) Until then -- I'm not terribly happy with smoking being legal under any circumstances.

    Interestingly, the Government-run casinos are about the last public place in Ontario where one can smoke. The Government suspended its usual rules to avoid scaring off tourist dollars. You can drink in our Casinos, too. But unlike Vegas, where drinks are free for gamblers, Ontario drinks cost something awful - like $6 each.

    I'm happier - but far from ecstatic, with the alcohol situation here. Yes - the highway death/injury toll is lamentable. I'd like to see it fall -- but the preponderance of people drink sensibly and don't drive afterwards. I drank for around 40 years, (not when driving) then I quit some years back, for three reasons:

    (1) I was starting to like it a tad too much - better to quit on recognition.
    (2) 80-90% of the cost here is tax and Government liquor store markup. I couldn't afford to keep the government on the payroll!
    (3) Guys I knew in my age group (early 60s at the time) who drank (a lot) seemed to get this cycle - weakness, heart problems, strokes, sudden death.

    Benefits:

    (1) My health has always been good - but I felt better - didn't know I could! Wasn't expecting that! :smile:
    (2) I'm not dead yet - so I'm seeing my grandkids grow up! Awesome!
    (3) Financial: I made a mistake when I quit smoking 35 years ago. Yes, it was a good choice, but I didn't put that money aside. It would have been over $75,000 by now. I didn't make the same mistake when I quit drinking. I have oh - around $15,000 in the bank (in 6 or 7 years) just from that source. (Booze is cheaper in the US.) To top it off, that money is in a tax-free savings account - a cute little wrinkle our Government introduced a few years back. Double tax savings! :smile:

    I'm not suggesting that everyone should quit drinking. The bulk of people can handle it quite well. But there are many others that can't. :sad:

    So - smoking, gambling, drinking and marijuana. I've done 'em all and quit 'em all -- permanently. Potato chips were harder to stop than any of 'em! :smile: I used to cuss and chase women too - slowed down a mite these days....

    Johann
     
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  15. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    I have heard it said that smoking pot diminishes your cogitative ability, IOW makes you stupid, if done for an extended period. Is there any research to either support or contradict that idea?
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Ay, ay, ay. What began as a slang-ridden mockery of recreational drug use has now devolved into an inquiry of empirical validation. You book-heads need to lay off the DL.
     
  17. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    Woah, dude, like I don wanna lay of da DL, man.

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  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Signature line.
     
  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    What does it mean to say that getting a doctorate is sparkley or even glittery? And what was the context?
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sarcasm. Now presented without the context that makes it clear. I've asked the poster to stop doing this, to no avail.
     

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