Doctor of Management (DM) - 42 Credits/TRACS - about $16K USD

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  1. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

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  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    With items like:
    Scholarly conclusions to his 882 page research like:
    "The test of whether you preach better and like Jesus comes in actual preaching. Stand
    up like you are facing your audience. Stand in the leveler position; tall, knees slightly
    bent, equal weight on both legs, hands at your sides, head suspended from the sky.
    Take a deep breath. Enter into your Preacher’s state. Speak the Lord’s Prayer to each
    person in the room so they understand it. Do this with an imaginary group right now.
    But do it at a meeting."

    Or this:
    "Take the Jesus ladder and place it on your ladder, matching rung to rung, and watch the
    ladders merge. You ladder is Jesus’ ladder and Jesus’ ladder your ladder. Step up and
    down the ladder as yourself. Now step up and down the ladder as Jesus."

    "The modeling theory of Robert Dilts is sound theory. There are observable steps that
    can be replicated. It is testable. The model presented here is testable as well. But it is
    testable in the hands of persons well versed in the model, who understand the
    underlying principles of NLP and are trained in employing its procedures. Language
    patterns, matching and mirroring practices, management of trance, anchoring
    procedures, and modeling all are observable and testable. Modeling is the primary gift
    of NLP to the world, and this model, mine to you."
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    How many back-and-forths through Google Translate did THAT take?
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  4. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I don't know but if I recall correctly he lives in the US.
  5. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    He is from NY and went to high school there as well as other US education. States he was a United Methodist Pastor.

    I don't know what the reason for it is but he is proud of it and so is NCU (perhaps this is the sort of thing Daniel Ortega is concerned about).
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's the reason many schools put word limits on the thesis. Students tend to think of it as the minimum, while the school thinks of it as the maximum.

    If you cannot establish your work's unique place in the scholarship (which is the function of the literature review) in a few dozen pages, you're not really trying, and you're more likely to confuse the reader rather than impress him/her.

    There are certain reasons for really long papers, but they're in the research, not the lead-up to it. For example, it's not uncommon for dissertations/theses in the humanities to take several hundred pages to tell the story of the research and its implications. Doing a qualitative-based work in any field can be a challenge to keep to a word limit. But it usually results in a better paper.
  8. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Another bit of his PhD research:
    "As a Preacher you want to own the space you are preaching in. This is true for
    teachers and counselors as well. You have to feel at home like it is your own. I want to
    know the room I am preaching in. And I want the area I am preaching from to be
    comfortable and set up exactly the way I want it. What can you do? You can have a
    sound check. Make sure the microphone works and the sound is right. Make sure you
    have a glass of water where you can reach it. Make sure you have room to roam or
    move. Make sure your seat is situated the way you want it. If you need a watch or
    clock where you see it arrange for it. Get a sense of who will be on the dais with you;
    note their appearance, physiology, tone of voice".

    Large numbers of words don't make doctoral level research.
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    For sure - but with this kind of bunk, you'll be able to conduct one hell of a séance! :)
  10. freeloader

    freeloader Member

    I find this whole thing odd. The fact that the literature review if half of the total dissertation seems odd for this type of project. In history and political science, the disciplines with which I engaged while I was in my (unfinished) PhD program, it seemed like 10-15% of the project being literature review seemed normal.

    Substantial parts of the literature review(s) also don’t really seem to be literature review. There is what appears to be original argument/“research”. What is more like a literature review also seems to be mostly Person 1 says X, Person 2 says Y, etc. There doesn’t seem to be very much relating 1’s argument to 2, talking about what 1 and 2 missed and how the present dissertation fills the void, etc.

    There are a lot of really bold statements about the nature of Jesus/ the Christ that may be accepted in the author’s denomination, but are not universally accepted and are certainly debated by biblical scholars. This is not a dissertation in religion, theology, philosophy, or similar, but I feel like there needs to be more treatment of the scholarly interpretation of Jesus/ the Christ. That said, the last thing a nearly 900 page dissertation needs is an extra 100 pages of discursive footnotes that have nothing to do with psychology or NLP.

    I do love this gem: Jesus was physically attractive (Gonzalez, 1994). Of course, no one knows what Jesus looked like. I prefer to believe that Jesus looks like me; balding on top and with a little extra padding.
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  11. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Despite hundreds of pages of literature review he also manages to cite Gonzales over a hundred times. And he contradicts himself in the same paragraph, noting that while nobody knows what Jesus looks like the disciples described him as charismatic (a trait obviously not related to physical attractiveness.)
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I read an interesting speculation about Jesus' appearance a few years ago. I'm sure he wasn't the blondish, Germanic or British-looking six-footer we all saw in our Sunday School books. (Yes - I went to Sunday School - it obviously didn't work.) I read that the average height of men in Jesus' time and place was about 5 ft 1 in and most of the people were dark-haired. The author was careful to point out that, at no time was Jesus described as being unusual in appearance. And when the Romans came to arrest Jesus, they had to have Him pointed out to them. A blond giant - they could have picked out themselves.

    There was an artist's conception of how Jesus may have looked. A short man, quite dark, thick-bodied and muscular from manual work, with warm, brown eyes. Far different from the traditional - but I think those who love Jesus would love Him either way. Although I am a credal atheist*, I have an interest in the historical Jesus and think he was a fine teacher. I like the artist's attempt to 'keep it real.' If only the people who came after Him could have done the same... but they didn't.

    * Credal atheist. One who knows there is no definitive proof for the nonexistence of God. I have to take it on faith. :)
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    D.L. Hughley:
    Nobody love God like black folks. Black folks love us some God. Jesus was black. If Jesus was black, the apostles were black, 'cause wouldn't no 12 white men follow no brother. Not unless they was the police and Jesus had a warrant, huh? They ain't have to describe Jesus to me for me to know he was black. Jesus first miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding. Now, if that ain't black folk sh*t, I don't know what is. "Lord, we done run outta wine!" "Now normally, I don't do this, but, uh... go on head, keep the party goin."
  14. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I don't know if Jesus was black but he was certainly brown-skinned based on the description in the Bible.
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Another 'take' on Jesus' being Black here. I'm not suggesting anyone has to believe Jesus was Black or otherwise. The important part is in the parallels between His life and the situations faced by African Americans, and I DO like the vibe and originality in story-telling. He also quotes some good sources. Man thinks. I appreciate that.
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  16. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Not exactly a masterpiece. One wonders did anyone at NCU read English and read the dissertation? Did the international academics read it? Did they simply weigh it?
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The check cleared. :)
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  18. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    That is one explanation. Hard to come up with any good ones. Dissertations like that are not helping make Nicaragua Central University's case nor a case for allowing them to partner with other schools. Who takes the blame (NCU or partner institution). Were they just rubber stamping what was sent by the partner University? Is Daniel Ortega amused?
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  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure about how Sr. Ortega feels. I've never asked him. I do know, I'm not pleased. The following is opinion only. I have no positive proof. It looks like a case of what happens when a school invites a "partnership engineer" in, as they did. I don't know exactly how many double and triple thingies this one "business development" guy that Carlton mentioned, put together, but he was prolific. I think I lost count at sixty. That was years ago.

    Again, no proof, but I think this is how it worked. The school was accredited to teach on-ground programs to Nicaraguans. And they did this credibly - and well. And they likely still do. But there is no real money in that, so they decided to raise cash by other means. Answer - facilitation of distance degrees, mostly from schools not nearly the calibre of UCN, by dual and triple partnership schemes.

    If they keep a clean sheet at home and educate their own people properly, I think officials might be um- "persuaded" to look the other way - and there would be no pressing reason for anyone to bring it to Sr. Ortega's personal attention .... would there?
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This (alleged) phenomenon is not unknown to the region. Empresarial University was involved in such a scheme where they were approved to award certain degrees in Costa Rica, yet "rented" their name and degrees (including ones they weren't approved to offer, kina proprio) to an operation in the US. And, as we discovered, the CEU in Mexico also did this with Sheila Danzig's operation, MIGS. (I was part of trying to establish it and a big part of taking it down once its true nature became clear.) Perhaps UCN's partners are more substantial, I don't know.

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